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Re: Sora 2

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Post by MattRix »

echelon wrote: post #628
matthewaveryusa wrote: post #620

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The classics were classic because they were the most available and the most popular stories of their time, and they meant more in an era where creating and disseminating media was difficult. I love to romanticize a world where we go back to the classics to connect with our past and present better, even if just for the sake of efficiency. For better or for worse media is more ephemeral which means getting to a common…

Welcome to the future, where the notion of "classics" is just a point in the memetic information manifold: https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 (Music video with Sam Altman as Skibidi Toilet) This is pretty fun. These keep getting wilder and wilder: https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 (Kinda gross) https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 (Japanese) It can do cartoons: https://x…

That movie trailer isn’t made with Sora (or AI at all, as far as I can tell?)

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Palmik »

btbuildem wrote: post #486

They're really playing loose with copyright: you have to actively opt out for them to not use your IP in the generated videos [1] Tangentially related: it's wild to me that people heading such consequential projects have so little life experience. It's all exuberance and shiny things, zero consideration of the impacts and consequences. First Meta with "Vibes", now this. 1: https://www.gurufocus.com/news/3124829/opena…

> people heading such consequential projects have so little life experience

What do you mean by life experience here and how can you tell they have little of it?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

> Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another?

This is a no-brainer question. For an extreme example: CSAM is a form of entertainment for some people.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by baxtr »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

"TikTok but AI" sounds like "Cocaine but for free" to me.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ksynwa »

baalimago wrote: post #720

They can't even be consistent within their own launch video. Consistency is by far the biggest issue with generative AI. How can a professional studio work with scenes which has continuity errors on every single shot? And if it's not targeting professionals, who is it for?

The common thread I am seeing with replacing creative work with AI is that of lowering the bar of acceptability and counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings from taking human labour out of the equation. The cost of labour is not just the raw cost but also the bargaining power that they can exercise by going on strikes etc. From my limited understanding, creatives seem to have more unions than programmers given that I have heard of at least two strikes from voice actors and writers and none from the tech sector. So it should be a win-lose for those who profit off of videos without taking part in the labour process of making one and lose-lose for everyone else.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by lm28469 »

paulcole wrote: post #478
cogman10 wrote: post #469

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> How many hours a week are you actively using AI tools yourself? 2 or 3. Mostly LLMs to check code. > What percentage of public comments that you’ve made about AI tools have been skeptical or critical? Probably around 90%. So sell me. Why is this super impressive? I'm happy to admit that I'm pretty pessimistic about AI. I have an eye for continuity issues, they are pretty obvious to me. Am I just too focused on that…

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Even someone who don't like pizza will recognize pizza is food.

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Post by Nursie »

astrange wrote: post #700
Nursie wrote: post #613

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I live in Perth, Western Australia, and here 5-year price growth has topped 100% in some suburbs. Landlordism is an enormous money-spinner.

Until you have to replace a roof, or a tenant destroys the house, or it just doesn't rent for a while and nobody notices a water pipe breaking. It's risky to own a lot of buildings, and worse the risks are correlated if they're all in the same place (there could be a flood or wildfire etc.) Commercial real estate is different because your tenants are (more) professional.

As the other poster said, these risks can be mitigated in various ways. If the property appreciates 100% over five years, your costs associated with those risks are comparatively minimal.

They certainly don't constitute a depreciating asset!

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Post by panta »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

I think some forms of entertainment can have also redeeming qualities. A novel can be seen (also) as a form of entertainment but it can also be a vehicle for a message. The difference with social media sized alternatives is that with the latter the "consumer" is much more passive, at most it's expected to react emotionally without thinking. On the other hand with the former there is an interaction between the work and the reader/viewer. Some books have the ability to make you re-evaluate your beliefs and your values, without being manipulative. Art is not necessarily entertaining.

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Post by gyomu »

oceanplexian wrote: post #676
gyomu wrote: post #596

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> This is not the final target The final target of these "world models" on a 20 year horizon is entirely unmanned factories taking over the economy, and swarm of drones and robots fighting wars and policing citizens. This is why hundreds of billions are poured into these things, cute Ghibli style videos and vacuum robots wouldn't be worth this much money otherwise.

What’s so romantic about working in factories? Automation and robotics will accelerate the economy the same way information technology did, and humans will work on better problems than performing repeated tasks on an assembly line or flipping burgers. There are arguably more jobs today as a result of computers than there were before they were invented. So why is the assumption that AI will magically delete all jobs w…

> humans will work on better problems than performing repeated tasks on an assembly line or flipping burgers.

Haha. The current wave of “careers we couldn’t think of” that tech companies have created include being Uber/Doordash/Amazon delivery drivers, data labelers for training AIs, moderator to prevent horrific content spreading on social networks,… with way weaker social benefits & protections than the blue collar jobs of old they replaced.

So yeah, I have a hard time buying this fantasy of everyone doing some magical fulfilling work while AI does all the ugly work, especially when every executive out there is plainly stating that their ideal outcome is replacing 90% of their workforce with AI.

With the way things are headed, AI will take over large economic niches, and humans will fill in at the edges doing the grimy things AI can’t do, with ever diminishing social mobility and safety nets while AI company executives become trillionaires.

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