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Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

lojban wrote: post #489
d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's already like this. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have survived in tech if people knew I was a conservative. I've always felt like I would be punished if people knew.

There's a huge difference between top down cancellation and bottom up cancellation. Do you think the CEO would have fired you for being conservative? Or do you think your career wouldn't have advanced because people wouldn't want to associate with someone who's always saying things they find abhorrent?

I think people wouldn't have wanted to work with me or listen to my opinions. I don't think the CEO would care, but down at my level, what the CEO thinks doesn't matter. It's all about peers and adjacent teams.

And I never voice any political opinions at work because I don't want to say anything my peers would perceive as "abhorrent".

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Post by UmGuys »

themaninthedark wrote: post #710
UmGuys wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not very aware of this subject, but from my understanding "the laptop" is the files that were extracted from a person's laptop by a man who was supposed to repair it. Then the files were released in public and included nude images. I would expect any company to pull those documents down to limit their own liability and for common decency. Again, I'm not very informed on the subject. So there was that example. Now…

No, they were blocking links to the news story from the NY Post, including users from sending private messages... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24780798 >In April 2021, White House advisers met with Twitter content moderators. The moderators believed the meeting had gone well, but noted in a private Slack discussion that they had fielded "one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn't been kicked off…

I have no idea what you're referencing honestly. Private companies can make whatever business decisions they want.

You second link is 404 and I have no idea what you're talking about. The subject is what used to be the United States. A concept that no longer exists because we're too shitty.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by NedF »

dada78641 wrote: post #667

It really is kind of incredible. I just saw the clip and there really is absolutely nothing there. This is not even 10% as poignant of what Jon Stewart would say in his day. He doesn't even say anything about Kirk himself, or even about the murder—he just talks about the reaction to it. I already thought it was very suspicious that Sinclair's official press release just talks about how the remarks were "inappropriate…

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Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by UmGuys »

themaninthedark wrote: post #710
UmGuys wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not very aware of this subject, but from my understanding "the laptop" is the files that were extracted from a person's laptop by a man who was supposed to repair it. Then the files were released in public and included nude images. I would expect any company to pull those documents down to limit their own liability and for common decency. Again, I'm not very informed on the subject. So there was that example. Now…

No, they were blocking links to the news story from the NY Post, including users from sending private messages... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24780798 >In April 2021, White House advisers met with Twitter content moderators. The moderators believed the meeting had gone well, but noted in a private Slack discussion that they had fielded "one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn't been kicked off…

I googled Alex as I didn't know who that was. The government has an interest in public health. 1.2 million Americans (likely many more) died as a result of covid. There were refrigerator trucks filled with bodies in places. It was hell. People who spread misinformation literally kill people and themselves. It seems like the government back then actually worked with companies to craft guidance rather than threatening their licenses, suing, etc. There's no comparison at all to the current time. America was founded to rid ourselves of royalty and the first amendment is proof of that. Now America is gone.

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Post by duxup »

dada78641 wrote: post #667

It really is kind of incredible. I just saw the clip and there really is absolutely nothing there. This is not even 10% as poignant of what Jon Stewart would say in his day. He doesn't even say anything about Kirk himself, or even about the murder—he just talks about the reaction to it. I already thought it was very suspicious that Sinclair's official press release just talks about how the remarks were "inappropriate…

Trump and Co. are the biggest "snowflakes". Anything that even hints at not being in line with their thoughts, they put the power of the government to work to punish it. It doesn't even matter what anyone says or thinks, once they're set on it being bad, they're on it and it's always played up to be the worst thing ever.

There's no discussion, no indication what really happened, facts are irrelevant, all lies and threats:

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/trump-free-speech-abc-...

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by nemo44x »

drewbug01 wrote: post #714
nemo44x wrote: post #696

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This is a false equivalency, unfortunately. We can discuss all we like about cancel-culture-on-the-left, but it misses the glaring difference: The left used their speech to encourage consequences for those whose speech they didn’t like. The right is now using the power of the government to silence speech they don’t like. That is a massive and important difference, and it is blindingly obvious.

I don’t know if the means matter much - the outcomes are the same. One side could rely on their activist group networks to pressure decision makers and the other side is using their corporate connections to do the same.

The government isn’t doing anything directly in either case. End of day the network made this choice.

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Post by jszymborski »

TowerTall wrote: post #609
jszymborski wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is unironically what happened here. The comments Kimmel made here did not disparage Kirk, but rather the administration's reaction to his shooting.

“The Maga Gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” Kimmel said.

Right, which part of that, especially if you are a republican, is disparaging to Kirk? What part of that is ethically or morally objectionable let alone warranting the FCC to intervene?

You forgot the rest of the quote:

“In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving.”

That, however, is criticism of the administration.

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Post by nemo44x »

nemo44x wrote: post #726
drewbug01 wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false equivalency, unfortunately. We can discuss all we like about cancel-culture-on-the-left, but it misses the glaring difference: The left used their speech to encourage consequences for those whose speech they didn’t like. The right is now using the power of the government to silence speech they don’t like. That is a massive and important difference, and it is blindingly obvious.

I don’t know if the means matter much - the outcomes are the same. One side could rely on their activist group networks to pressure decision makers and the other side is using their corporate connections to do the same. The government isn’t doing anything directly in either case. End of day the network made this choice.

And I’ll say if it is overreach, which it well could be, it too will be punished in due time. Previous regimes largess is currently being punished. Endless cycle.

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Post by judahmeek »

NedF wrote: post #723
dada78641 wrote: post #667

It really is kind of incredible. I just saw the clip and there really is absolutely nothing there. This is not even 10% as poignant of what Jon Stewart would say in his day. He doesn't even say anything about Kirk himself, or even about the murder—he just talks about the reaction to it. I already thought it was very suspicious that Sinclair's official press release just talks about how the remarks were "inappropriate…

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> Kimmel said the shooter is MAGA and the MAGA 'gang' assassinate their own.

Oh, so the last X political assassins have been white, male, and apparently strong supporters of the second amendment, but they don't hate minorities enough to be MAGA? (A recent study found a link between prejudice against minorities & support for political violence[0] so...)

> You now have the world you deserve, and smart people will ignore your pleas because you will never be more than a stereotype for the other side to use. Enjoy.

That's funny. Multiple people have lost their jobs for basically saying the exact same thing to conservatives after Kirk's assassination.

0: https://www.psypost.org/new-study-finds-strong-links-between...

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by zeven7 »

NedF wrote: post #723
dada78641 wrote: post #667

It really is kind of incredible. I just saw the clip and there really is absolutely nothing there. This is not even 10% as poignant of what Jon Stewart would say in his day. He doesn't even say anything about Kirk himself, or even about the murder—he just talks about the reaction to it. I already thought it was very suspicious that Sinclair's official press release just talks about how the remarks were "inappropriate…

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Kimmel was clearly pulled because the fuhrer doesn't like him, because Kimmel is critical of him. You won't see conservative commentators scrutinized this closely, or at all, nor is there any precedent for the FCC acting in this way.
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