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Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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Incorrect; it's to bypass the middlemen that create the links of trust between two parties exchanging money. That was the point of Bitcoin from the start. (The many other crypto coins since then are mostly BS freud.)

In this case, Stripe is adding themselves as a middleman. Whether or not it was the point of Bitcoin from the start, "removing the middlemen" is bullshit because you still need exchanges, wallet providers, people running nodes, etc. Cryptocurrency in practice just transfers power from traditional middlemen to new technically-advantaged middlemen.

If the banking system was compromised from war, Bitcoin still functions without them

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It sounds great, but every time I see this argument, I end up going down the rabbit hole of actually studying how stablecoins operate. And every time, I come to the same conclusion: they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Bitcoin (and possibly a few others) is one of…

> they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. International wire money transfer is far too difficult today. And after you've sent it, you still need to wait minutes (hours?) for the receiving end's bank to actually process the wire and move it into the recipient's account…

In eu we have sepa instant transfer

https://www.santandercib.com/insights/innovation/sepa-instan...

That becomes mandatory in October this year

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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post #720

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds great, but every time I see this argument, I end up going down the rabbit hole of actually studying how stablecoins operate. And every time, I come to the same conclusion: they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Bitcoin (and possibly a few others) is one of…

> they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. International wire money transfer is far too difficult today. And after you've sent it, you still need to wait minutes (hours?) for the receiving end's bank to actually process the wire and move it into the recipient's account…

I can transfer money from Europe to Brazil in seconds with Wise. I press the button and the money is nearly instantly available in the Brazilian account via PIX. The same in the reverse direction is possible but only if you have a more modern bank in Europe, eg. N26 or Revolut.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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post #720

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. International wire money transfer is far too difficult today. And after you've sent it, you still need to wait minutes (hours?) for the receiving end's bank to actually process the wire and move it into the recipient's account…

I can transfer money from Europe to Brazil in seconds with Wise. I press the button and the money is nearly instantly available in the Brazilian account via PIX. The same in the reverse direction is possible but only if you have a more modern bank in Europe, eg. N26 or Revolut.

I was thinking more of gp's comment "and the first user is an Argentinian bike importer that finds transacting with their suppliers to be challenging"

Wise isn't great for paying suppliers. Their business account limit for debit/credit is $2k, and for ACH is $50k. They have higher limits if you fund with wire, but then we're back at the starting problem again...

And still, you have no way of knowing that the receiving party actually got it. On a blockchain, the source-of-truth "database" is public.

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There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

Does Stripe plan to offer its own variety of coins in future?

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

#726
post #46

There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

This is exactly how you bootstrap payment rails to compete with Visa/MC. Merchants would do anything to reduce the 2-3% they’re bleeding to the card schemes. Everyone focuses on consumer adoption, but merchants push payment methods customers don’t love all the time - ACH transfers, store cards, cash discounts. If stablecoins can cut interchange from 2-3% to near zero, merchants will drive adoption through discounts and incentives. Gas stations where card fees destroy margins, high-volume retailers - get a few major players offering meaningful stablecoin discounts and suddenly consumers have a reason to figure out the wallets.

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> a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Stablecoin is not a technology. It's an excuse. An excuse to do what banks do while not being regulated like a bank or using the infrastructure banks use. Similar to how Airbnb is not a technology but an excuse to do what hotels do without hotel's license. So it makes no sense to compare it to database,…

Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves? That's what makes banking tricky. When there are a surge of loan defaults across the banking system the money supply shrinks rapidly unless the government bails them out. Thus, the need for regulation. One reason the U.S government has to like stablecoins is because Tether is one of…

> Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves?

In a manner of speaking. You need to trust that the issuers have the reserve they claim. There's no way around this, unless the asset in reserve is equally ethereal (i.e. another cryptocurrency).

Tether, for one, almost certainly doesn't have the reserves.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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post #721
post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, Stripe is adding themselves as a middleman. Whether or not it was the point of Bitcoin from the start, "removing the middlemen" is bullshit because you still need exchanges, wallet providers, people running nodes, etc. Cryptocurrency in practice just transfers power from traditional middlemen to new technically-advantaged middlemen.

If the banking system was compromised from war, Bitcoin still functions without them

Because during war you're guaranteed to have electricity and internet for Bitcoin to function

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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So what should I "buy" to invest in this vision? Eth?

That's the fun part, You don't have to "buy" anything to invest in this vision. You just can't "invest" in this vision just as you can't "invest" into treasuries, I mean you could but they don't give 100x the returns. I skimmed through and I don't see anything that promises a lot of returns and THAT'S A GOOD THING. Just like how things like (okay, I was thinking of some universally loved non ipo company and I thought…

Appreciate the input.
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