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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by Aeolun »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #690
n1b0m wrote: post #390

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From the start of Israel’s assault on Gaza, the vast majority of Israelis haven’t shown any concern about the suffering in Gaza. Those who campaign for an end to the war do so purely as a means to secure the release of the hostages.

That's not surprising. They remember the scenes of ecstatic celebration on the streets of Gaza and the West Bank on october 7. And the fact is that the people of Gaza could end the conflict whenever they want. All they need to do is surrender and hand over the hostages. You might think i'm oversimplifying but actually that's really it.

> All they need to do is surrender and hand over the hostages. You might think i'm oversimplifying but actually that's really it.

“The people of Gaza” have about as much chance of doing this as the ICC has of arresting and putting Netanyahu on trial.

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Post by [deleted] »

throw310822 wrote: post #533
xg15 wrote: post #190

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I'm German and I really see a lot of the blame for this on our states as well - the US and the EU states (especially Germany, sadly). As horrible as the Israeli mindset is, their subjective viewpoint is at least somewhat relatable: An ordinary Israeli citizen is born in that land, knows nothing else, just learns that the entirety of the surrounding populations want them dead - and will with very high likelihood exper…

> An ordinary Israeli citizen is born in that land, knows nothing else, They know perfectly well that their settlers are conducting daily pogroms against Palestinian villages in the West Bank, protected by their own army. They know perfectly well that thousands of Palestinians are detained for years without due process, trialled by military courts, kept in a state of apartheid. They just don't care.

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by FridayoLeary »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #700
edanm wrote: post #626

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I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…

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That would be too impractical. The fact of the matter is that the only effective way is basically how the GHF is doing it already. It's sad that the UN and western media are running with the pro hamas anti GHF narrative. They are giving hamas every incentive to disrupt aid distribution as much as possible. At the very least the shocking fact that UNWRA are against Gazans getting aid when it's not done through them exposes the lie that they care about palestinians.

The GHF undermines Hamas and UNWRA like nothing else has. It terrifies them and they are pulling all the propoganda stops to delegitimise them.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by bigyabai »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #646
edanm wrote: post #558

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I just want to point out something important about that article - it's not just talking about children, it's specifically talking about pre-teen children. Hamas recruits many "children" in the sense of under-18s to fight, but that's not true of pre-teen children. (Btw, I don't necessarily agree that that article proves the IDF is firing on children, there's actually no evidence of that presented in the article. But I…

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That doesn't justify annexing neighbors, destroying civilian infrastructure or fratricide on the IDF's behalf, though.

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Post by edanm »

justin66 wrote: post #643
edanm wrote: post #553

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There are many protesting this government as we speak, as well.

That must be a harrowing situation. It didn't exactly look safe and low stress before the war.

> That must be a harrowing situation. It didn't exactly look safe and low stress before the war.

If you mean in terms of the personal safety of the Israeli protesters, it's not dangerous or anything. Certainly nothing like the very brave people in Gaza protesting Hamas, who are actually living through hell, and who risk their lives by protesting.

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Post by Hikikomori »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #638
ivape wrote: post #632

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David Simon (creator of The Wire) once gave a lecture at a Jewish conference trying to make the case that Jews in America should be uniquely aligned with the plight of Black Americans in the inner cities. The case was that the Jews went through an experience during WW2 that makes them uniquely qualified to always align in solidarity against oppression, poverty, and general suffering. To be children of ethnic cleansin…

Jews in America are not the ones committing a genocide in Gaza. Quite a significant proportion of the American Jews are absolutely horrified. Can I ask why you think that American Jews are any more responsible for the crimes of Israel in Gaza than non-Jews, or Jews elsewhere in the world? Do you think that Judaism is a monolith, or that American Jews are the same as all Jews? I ask because blaming Jews elsewhere for…

I would say that Israel/Zionism wants to conflate worldwide jewelry with itself.

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Post by tehjoker »

YZF wrote: post #692
quietbritishjim wrote: post #686

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The information is unverified because Israel does not allow journalists into Gaza.

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So if a journalist decides to wander away from the potemkin village they get denied access. The journalists going on these ridealongs are not doing journalism. This tactic, which america pioneered in response to vietnam war coverage, is designed to only allow journalists who will tell the right kind of narrative.

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Post by tehjoker »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #700
edanm wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…

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https://youtu.be/3FO8BmzoPzU?si=L2wcnGolVDERRUzS

why israel is arming gangs in gaza

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Post by carefulfungi »

jekwoooooe wrote: post #653
perlgeek wrote: post #79

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From Israel's perspective, Palestinians are a problem. Long term, they have a few options: 1) Give them their own state. This is difficult for quite many reasons, and Israel (by which I mean the current government) doesn't want that 2) Give them full citizenship rights equal to Israel's citizens, make sure they have a proper minority representation, and let them participate in the regular political processes. The cur…

And why are they Israel’s problem to solve? What about Jordan who expelled EVERY Palestinian in 1970? What about Qatar? What about Egypt? Lebanon? Any Arab country??? Why is it Israel’s problem? There was a legal agreement in 1948. It could have been so simple.

Palestinian militants have destabilized every host country they’ve inhabited. I say this with sympathy for the displaced. Who wouldn’t consider taking up arms if forced from home, stripped of citizenship, corralled into camps, condemned to generations of refugee status.

But it is also obvious, historically, why Arab countries aren’t welcoming masses of Palestinians into their countries even in these dire moments.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by Hikikomori »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #690
n1b0m wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the start of Israel’s assault on Gaza, the vast majority of Israelis haven’t shown any concern about the suffering in Gaza. Those who campaign for an end to the war do so purely as a means to secure the release of the hostages.

That's not surprising. They remember the scenes of ecstatic celebration on the streets of Gaza and the West Bank on october 7. And the fact is that the people of Gaza could end the conflict whenever they want. All they need to do is surrender and hand over the hostages. You might think i'm oversimplifying but actually that's really it.

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