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Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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For some of us, YouTube is part of our creative and mindful pursuits. It either drives our interests (much like reading a magazine about specialized topics would, in the past), or explains how to do something, or simply builds a community of like minded people all over the world. I find the argument of "how much you don't need in your life" not very compelling. On one hand, we "need" very little: health, food, shelte…

Passively consuming content is not the same as reading a magazine or a book. Agreed that anyone can fill their own free time with whatever they want. But youtube is just junk food for the mind, packaged as stuff that interests you. It’s conveniently split to increase ad revenue, uses clickbait to drive engagement, and all the techniques developed on TV the past 80 years to keep us glued in front of the screen. Youtub…

> But youtube is just junk food for the mind, packaged as stuff that interests you

This is demonstrably false.

There's no such thing as "YouTube stuff", there's thousands of people uploading videos, some interesting to you, some not, some junk, some very in-depth, some garbage, some very thoughtful -- Sturgeon's Law applies. There are music videos, science videos, history videos, hobby videos, videos analyzing everything under the sun (e.g. the amazing Every Frame A Painting), etc.

I don't know which videos you watch, but mine aren't "junk food".

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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post #437

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For some of us, YouTube is part of our creative and mindful pursuits. It either drives our interests (much like reading a magazine about specialized topics would, in the past), or explains how to do something, or simply builds a community of like minded people all over the world. I find the argument of "how much you don't need in your life" not very compelling. On one hand, we "need" very little: health, food, shelte…

Each to their own. I'm not saying youtube is all garbage useless content, definitely there are quality conversations about varying topics. The level of community probably varies between interests and for my interests, youtube was hardly a core facet of the hobby. Perhaps for you it's different. However, I will add 2 counterpoints. Firstly, I don't think consuming a huge amount (e.g. the amount I was) of passive video…

> Second, I think it's interesting to examine why youtube must "drive" your hobby/interest to a large degree. Is there perhaps a mental trap of thinking you must be in with the crowd and the latest and greatest?

No? There's the "human as a social animal" aspect, I enjoy being part of a community.

Nothing particular to YouTube here.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Dear YouTube, It’s not so much that I don’t want to see ads - nobody does, but very very often the ad breaks the vibe of what I am watching and it displeases me to the point I will invest my soul and energy to block ads. Some real-life examples: - watching a video about coding where the creator has a monotonic, calm voice that keeps me engaged, and VS Code in dark mode which is easy on my eyes in my dark room at 2am,…

I will raise you an ad about politicians loudly accusing each other of rape while watching a black and white Christmas cartoon with the family around a fireplace.

And I'll raise you a string of six ads in a row for various less-than-legal products and services interrupting the Christmas mass stream from Saint Patrick's Cathedral.

I haven't watched YouTube since.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Dear YouTube, It’s not so much that I don’t want to see ads - nobody does, but very very often the ad breaks the vibe of what I am watching and it displeases me to the point I will invest my soul and energy to block ads. Some real-life examples: - watching a video about coding where the creator has a monotonic, calm voice that keeps me engaged, and VS Code in dark mode which is easy on my eyes in my dark room at 2am,…

>All this would create value because people would actually watch much more ads. I'm very skeptical about this statement. There is a simple way to stop watching ads: pay for premium. It's 100% effective and works right now. What you are saying is that you want Google to make your ad experience better because you don't want to pay money to use their service. You somehow use it enough for ads to bother you but not enoug…

Using YouTube enough for ads to bother someone does not imply it’s “enough” to pay for. There’s nothing paradoxical about it.

Humans don’t value things as a binary decision between it either being worth it as free or equal to the cost it’s being sold at. Everyone has a price point for a service they think is fair, for which they’ll start seeking alternatives when exceeded. This is how markets work.

Time spent does not correlate with cost-independent value. This is doubly true with social media platforms.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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The primary thing that makes advertisements disagreeable is their irrelevance. That’s not to say whether or not the advertisement is for a product or service for which the viewer is interested in purchasing but how it relates to the context in which it is viewed. People complain about billboards next to a countryside highway because it is entirely irrelevant to driving through the countryside. Actual complaints may b…

> The primary thing that makes advertisements disagreeable is their irrelevance. That's not true. We don't hate billboards because of their irrelevancy. We hate billboards because they're giant ugly attention grabbers that make the world look worse for everybody in exchange for making someone money. If the billboards were all about driving-related products, they'd still suck. The YouTube ads are hated because that's…

> If we liked them, we'd seek them out, and we'd call them something else, like "movie trailers" or "Super Bowl ads."

I like these things but I do not seek them out.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Even if you pay for YouTube you will still see ads inserted by the content creators.

That's not up to YouTube, that's what the creator is doing.

YouTube could stop it if they wanted.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Even if you pay for YouTube you will still see ads inserted by the content creators.

That's not up to YouTube, that's what the creator is doing.

The creators must specify the start and end timestamp of the ad (some do), so you would be allowed to skip it easily.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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I find it hard to discern whether your post is sarcasm. Assuming it’s not, I’m surprised that someone is so cheerfully and voluntarily paying an extra fiat to the virtual landowner.

Video hosting is expensive. Making videos is expensive. You're not noble for stealing from Youtube or its creators.

It's not stealing; no one is deprived of anything except rent.

If anything the cost of making the video is sunk by the creator just once and then rapidily payed off.

Once that happens it's just hosting costs and Moore's, Kryder's and Koomey's Laws are brining that down exponetially.

Funnily enough though you never see the amount of avertising shown getting shorter to represent the lower costs involved eh?

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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I was visiting my kid’s class one day. They were using some YouTube product that seemed oriented at schools, that I’d never seen before. An ad would pop up, and one of the kids (whosever turn it was next?) would run up and tap the skip ad button. So even if you’re trying to use YouTube for something of value, you’re battling ads. Or at least our kids are.

I hope there's no ads before educational videos on how to do CPR or perform the Heimlich manoeuvre!

Well, first you have to log in. And yeah, there are ads even in such videos. :D
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