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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by graemep »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #677
ETH_start wrote: post #672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Which countries are using the military to enforce laws? Which countries are denying due process? In which countries is the executive branch ignoring court orders? In which countries is the executive branch claiming the powers of the legislative and judicial branches? I have no doubt these countries exist, but I'm deeply skeptical that they are imitable.

> Which countries are using the military to enforce laws?

A number of European countries have military or paramilitary forces used for law enforcement when it comes to things such as quelling riots. Here is an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gendarmerie

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by dragonwriter »

alxfoster wrote: post #694
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Lets separate headlines from reality here: Yes this is an unnecessary provocation with loads of emotionally charged elements (and federalizing California's National Guard in this context is certainly concerning for multiple reasons -considering the scale of the protests and violence ) BUT there is no sign that Active Duty military personnel are being deployed to engage civilians (yet). It would seem most likely that…

> BUT there is no sign that Active Duty military personnel are being deployed to engage civilians (yet).

Yes, there is.

> It would seem most likely that the Marines were called strictly to protect federal buildings, facilities and agents.

So, to engage civilians deemed a threat to federal buildings, facilities, and agents.

The distinction you are trying to draw does not exist, and is simply a very weak attempt to craft a mission that can be argued not to be using the military as a posse comitatus (even though it clearly is exactly that) for the sole purpose of reserving invoking the Insurrection Act until the aggressive use of federal forces has been successful in provoking a suitably dramatic incident.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by anonfordays »

pwarner wrote: post #487
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.

You clearly posted false statements. Are you able to retract or delete your comment?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by undersuit »

ChoGGi wrote: post #527
techdmn wrote: post #489

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Just watched a vid of LAPD trampling a person with a horse, then shooting them with what looked like a baton round at a range of 5-10 feet. That is a life altering injury, administered with direct intent, while the protestor was trying to flee. Holding my breath for zero consequences for unnecessary force. Not to mention qualified immunity. LAPD doing LAPD things. How can one argue that the police serve the people? T…

Nobody should be trampled, but for some context there was a Molotov about 10 seconds beforehand, and the first trample was a horse being spooked by some fireworks. Longer vid: https://streamable.com/bc1sog Still doesn't make it right.

I was watching live. There are better views. I don't think you throw Molotovs at your feet.

https://www.twitch.tv/rhyzohm/clip/SmellyCourageousSardineTT...

Your linked video is in the background in my clip.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by 542354234235 »

andsoitis wrote: post #589
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

> If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? Why do you assume that that doesn’t happen? - Chicago (2014) https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/chicago-area-company-fined... - Texas (2012) https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/2-companies-admit-hiring-i... - Colorado (2025) https://www.cpr.org/2025/04/30/ice-fines-colorado-janitorial... etc.

>Chicago (2014)

They were fined less than $400 per undocumented person they hired, or about a week and a half pay at minimum wage. That just sounds like a reasonable fee to hire someone without having to pay minimum wage, healthcare, payroll taxes, etc. If you put aside ethics, that sounds like the smart business move.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by delfinom »

xivzgrev wrote: post #243
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Shh! We can’t do that! You’d piss off the republican donors. Not to mention the American public when their grocery bill significantly increases. No, it’s much better to go harass people who aren’t in republican circles. Us vs them. Round up some illegals, make some examples, stick it to the democrats (who loosened the borders and are complicit). Trump is strong, and finally cracking down on all of this illegal nonsen…

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll run Newsom for president this time.

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Post by undersuit »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #652
jl6 wrote: post #514

It's clear that many commenters here are operating from completely different factual bases, in terms of who did what, and in what order. Fog of war seems to be in effect.

It takes a lot of words to convince people not to believe what they can see for themselves in video.

Which video? There were lots of videos. Lots of views of Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by FireBeyond »

HamsterDan wrote: post #711
FireBeyond wrote: post #151

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The best quote I heard about the BLM / Floyd protests: "Too many people are saying, "It's terrible that innocent black men died, but this property destruction has to stop!" when they should be saying, "It's terrible that there is property destruction, but the death of innocent black men has to stop!"."

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> George Floyd was not innocent.

Remind us all what crime he was convicted of. A $20 bill was alleged by a shop clerk to be counterfeit. There is no evidence either that it was, or that it was known to be counterfeit.

> He then resisted a lawful arrest. His death was entirely self inflicted.

Hard to self-inflict murder. "It wasn't murder!" - if his death was due solely to his alleged actions, and not due to excessive and inappropriate force by the police involved, then an officer would not have been charged with and convicted of second-degree murder. Nor would prosecutors not only charge the police involved, but move to increase charges and sentencing requests due to the "unnecessary and particularly excessive cruelty being inflicted upon [Floyd] by the officers". Weird.

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