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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by panick21_ »

ta1243 wrote: post #703
panick21_ wrote: post #627

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Back room deals aren't necessary a negative. That how the sausage is made. I rather have backroom deals when people can make rational compromise, rather then having media spectral where congress sessions are reality TV. Mostly used to get clips that can then be used in adds. > I think the larger problem with democracy in general is that constituencies are no longer geographic. I think that is a good point. Specifical…

You define a bunch of "constituencies" Farming, Tech, Fossil Fuels, Civil Rights, etc. Maybe as many as 50. Each one puts up candidates, perhaps on a list basis, You give everyone 10 votes to distribute to those candidates. If you're really into supporting Farming, you might put 10 votes to Farmers and screw the rest. If you are more widely concerned you might put a couple in tech, a couple in civil rights, one in sp…

I don't know, if you just have a fixed '50' many people will be very unhappy with the list. That's why I suggested that this somehow had to be algorithmic.

Its an interesting concept, I don't know of anybody that has fully defined how this would work.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by panick21_ »

potato3732842 wrote: post #676
panick21_ wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back room deals aren't necessary a negative. That how the sausage is made. I rather have backroom deals when people can make rational compromise, rather then having media spectral where congress sessions are reality TV. Mostly used to get clips that can then be used in adds. > I think the larger problem with democracy in general is that constituencies are no longer geographic. I think that is a good point. Specifical…

>I rather have backroom deals when people can make rational compromise, Along these lines, policy kind of went to shit when they got rid of earmarks. It used to be some congressman from rural Ohio being able to vote in favor of union stuff his people want but the party doesn't because he knows the bill has some pork for his district to make his people happy so he'll be secure next election. Now that guy's security ne…

The parties in the US are pretty damn weak. And their ability and interest in overthrowing their own members is limited. They need to focus resources on the battleground states. So in the US, parties are much less less powerful.

In Britain, you basically get removed from the party very quickly and as an independent its incredibly hard.

Trump is only the latest example of how parties are weak in the US.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by matt-attack »

kurthr wrote: post #391
Suppafly wrote: post #384

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My immediate assumption was that Tesla lies and probably has more offshore content than most of their competitors.

Exactly, corruption is legal. Only your competitors will be fined.

How is it corruption? Any automaker could have chosen to build their factories here. Tesla did. Others chose not to. Shouldn’t they be lauded for that?

Apple builds phones in China, but Teslas are built in Oakland. I just find it pretty cool.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by KingMob »

WalterBright wrote: post #485
KingMob wrote: post #436

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And the evidence that SpaceX is in the interest of American citizens is...? Neuralink existed for years before Musk. If it weren't him, the researchers would have continued with other investors or govt grants (Trump gutting the NIH recently notwithstanding). Compare this paltry evidence of benefit with the massive damage being done by the Musk-directed DOGE group, and it's clear billionaires being able to use their m…

> And the evidence that SpaceX is in the interest of American citizens is...? Starlink. The one that connected the N Carolina hurricane victims when FEMA failed, and then again in Los Angeles. NASA can now launch missions at 10% of the cost, due to SpaceX. > Neuralink existed for years before Musk. According to Google: "Neuralink, an invasive BCI company with a short-term goal of treating various neurological disorde…

You know all those things would happen without Musk, right?

A funny thing about SpaceX: I used to work around the space coast in Florida, and the scuttlebutt there was how often the employees had to work around Musk.

Apparently he would breeze in, make uninformed suggestions, and the employees developed processes to limit his damage.

Go outside, touch some grass, and contemplate that Musk is just a dude with a lot of money, not some singular genius or the savior of humanity. Once you do that, you can ask yourself if he's even the best billionaire to be running these companies.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by matwood »

mindslight wrote: post #688
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #687

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'I'm all for rights, except the right to life (of some citizens)' is absolutely disgusting. Wow this comment says a lot about you and should remove the good faith people around here give you.

You're just giving him an opening to retrench at a steelman - when the police have to respond with deadly force for some completely reasonable justification, "right to life" doesn't have much to do with it. The point is that even in very clear cut situations where the police are in the wrong, and have trampled over the very 2nd amendment rights that Republicans claim to love so much, it's then still crickets from Rep…

> have reached a critical mass to beat back this wall of disingenuous bad-faith bullshit

I hope so.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by throw10920 »

rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

What "free market" ideologues are you talking about? Seems like you're just intentionally making the hasty generalization fallacy (same one that leads to racism) to attack a group that you don't like for ideological or emotional reasons, especially because Trump was never a free market idealogue, and the tariffs are evidence of that.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by throw10920 »

intermerda wrote: post #25
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

> You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024.

What groups? What people? Are they on HN? Are you responding to them?

This is just sneering. You're not responding to a particular argument or person - you're you're just creating a fictional (in that they don't exist as a coherent, self-identified group, and are only a group in your own mind based solely off of these attributes) until group of people with some alleged hypocrisy and using them to dog-whistle indirectly attack a group of people based on some political ideology that you don't like (and which is largely irrelevant to the alleged hypocrisy that you're inventing). This is some of the most anti-intellectual drivel possible and the diametric opposite of what belongs on HN.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by throw10920 »

XorNot wrote: post #482
3np wrote: post #326

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This line of thinking is increasing and dangerous (and no doubt intentional from at least some of the popular examples that come to mimd). It will make it that much harder for authentic candidates to talk about legitimate change and ideology.

When your platform is "free lunches for school children" no one has to worry about the devastating consequences of someone doing it to you.

Whose platform is that, and only that? I've never seen a single political candidate where that was their sole position.
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