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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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What many of them are doing isn’t a legally protected form of protesting. Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal. Tesla protesters are vandalizing the vehicles of private citizens and burning down dealerships. This is also illegal, and due to its political goals, it seems to fit the textbook definition of terrorism. > the calculated use of violence (or the threat…

... Excuse me sir, could I interest you into what happened on January 6 of 2020?

That was also wrong and I thought it was horrible.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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transparency and the obligation to document did not really exist as concepts in statecraft when the first amendment was conceived. there is a very tenuous relationship with the right to petition. perhaps we should create an amendment enshrining those values (as some states have in their constutions) the best lede is the one where visas are being revoked. clear abuse of the amendment. even the libel ones, while shitty…

> there is a very tenuous relationship with the right to petition. perhaps we should create an amendment enshrining those values The USA already did: The first amendment literally includes the right to petition one's government, along with the other rights listed in the article as section headers. > just because the president is president does not mean they must relinquish the right to legal redress for existing prot…

> The USA already did:

you missed my point, clearly. if FOIA protects a current constitutional right, it is at best the tenth amendment, not the first.

> Libel of public figures literally requires a higher standard than "the rest of us".

to the point where the right to redress is abrogated?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This is partisan garbage, I’ve been in infosec circles long enough to see democrats always get a pass for doing the same thing republicans do. Selective outrage is fake outrage.

It's amazing, as a kid I always wondered how fascism could take hold in a country, in history books they seemed to lay out the steps so clearly it should be easy to see and coming and stop it. Now that it's happening here, I now wonder how countries ever managed to keep fascism at bay. All it really takes is an unscrupulous public in love with its own opinions, and someone with a big voice who will tell them comforti…

As yes the tyranny of small Government

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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And here I was talking about consequential stuff, like helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”. Who cares about criticism over inconsequential stuff? Is it that difficult to care about impoverished people? The meals for kids at schools is a “dei” program, and republicans axed it, wel…

>helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay” Exactly, like I said - "it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI". I do not care for theoretical definitions of why your ideology is good and moral, I care about its practical effects on me and the…

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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> many GOP lawmakers are now heeding their leadership’s advice to stay away from local town hall meetings and avoid the wrath of constituent I hope the opposition party realizes what an opportunity this is

> I hope the opposition party realizes what an opportunity this is They do and have been exploiting it for a while. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/house/5220... “House Democrats are ramping up their aggressive strategy of conducting town halls in Republican-held districts, vying to exploit the GOP’s advised moratorium on the events to make inroads with frustrated voters, pick up battleground seats,…

I think we are severely underestimating what Democrats are up against here.

A recent episode of This American Life Ten Things I Don't Want to Hate About You[0] gives just a absolutely mind bending look at just how bad the situation is with a subset of the American public.

The synopsis is that the father in this family has been so taken by conspiracy theories that it's breaking apart a family. To settle things, he makes a $10k bet with his son over a series of 10 events he believes will absolutely happen in 2024. As the clock ticks over to 2025 and not a single prediction came true, he simply moves the goal posts and does not admit any wrong, even as his wife divorces him and his daughter becomes estranged.

It's a showcase of how absolutely lost in the flood of actual fake news some Americans have become and it's scary because these folks that are divorced from reality are typically the highly motivated voter that actually goes out there and votes.

My point here is that if you listen to this and think "Democrats have an opportunity", then you may not understand just how bad it is and that democracy is up against a cult.

[0] https://www.thisamericanlife.org/854/ten-things-i-dont-want-...

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here I was talking about consequential stuff, like helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”. Who cares about criticism over inconsequential stuff? Is it that difficult to care about impoverished people? The meals for kids at schools is a “dei” program, and republicans axed it, wel…

>helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay” Exactly, like I said - "it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI". I do not care for theoretical definitions of why your ideology is good and moral, I care about its practical effects on me and the…

What I am expressing here is that practical things that all of us can agree are good and useful, such as helping impoverished kids, result in tangle positive consequences, an educated society has less crime, therefore net positive. This is a practical and real world positive consequence.

>And somehow, those practical effects always turn out to be "less white people".

In contrast to your silly and inconsequential examples of just "criticism", I presented examples where DEI has tangible and measurable results which are net positive. What you express, really, just shows confirmation bias, and you remain oblivious to all the positive things that have come out of "DEI" programmes that you have benefited from.

Case in point, women die significantly more in car crashes [1] because law mandates male-sized dummies. Some diversity here in terms of gender would have pointed that out, but until the moment this was written, nothing was done.

DEI programmes exist to avoid discrimination such as that one.

> According to Verity Now, a US-based campaign group striving to achieve equity in vehicle safety, women are 73% more likely to be injured – and 17% more likely to die – in a vehicle crash. Earlier this year, a study of 70,000 patients who had been trapped in vehicles found that women were more frequently trapped than men.

> Part of the problem is that test dummies modeled on the average female body are rarely used in safety tests by car manufacturers – because only “male” dummies are mandated for tests by regulators.

So I don't believe you will ever change or your mind or opinion, and you are discussing in bad faith, rendering this conversation utterly useless. Here's my recommendation, if you are going to try to get me to see your side, instead of emitting strawman arguments, try a steelman one, and avoid sensationalism.

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/15/world/female-car-crash-te...

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This is a really good compilation that should make any "free-speech absolutist" reconsider their support for the current administration. In my understanding, the commonplace interpretation of the first amendment is largely due to a series of landmark cases through the early to mid-20th century. A lot of expansions were provided to the amendment that have been taken for granted since then and we are now going to see c…

> This is a really good compilation that should make any "free-speech absolutist" reconsider their support for the current administration. The adoption of the "free speech absolutist" brand by certain elements of the Right was never an honest statement of ideology, it was a smokescreen of Orwellian doublespeak for efforts to impose right-wing bias on platforms both by platform owners and by government regulatory effo…

Interesting you call it a "brand". People picked up the term because it was meant to be an insult and that is quite relevant to understand the current political situation and why Trump can sell himself as free speech defender while doing the opposite.

Bascially because his opposition is that much slower...

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...

You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.

Presidents can't declare war, so no, the US is not at war in either a technical legal sense nor in a practical sense.

It's also not "an invasion" as per the Alien Enemies Act as clearly, Tren de Agua is not a government or a nation.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What many of them are doing isn’t a legally protected form of protesting. Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal. Tesla protesters are vandalizing the vehicles of private citizens and burning down dealerships. This is also illegal, and due to its political goals, it seems to fit the textbook definition of terrorism. > the calculated use of violence (or the threat…

... Excuse me sir, could I interest you into what happened on January 6 of 2020?

2021*

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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No it wouldn't. Part of freedom of expression is the right to express opinions of any kind. That includes the view that freedom of expression should be limited: that is a perfectly legitimate opinion. >Therefore we need Equal Rights to free speech for everybody Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are entitled to a publicly funded megaphone or that anyone is required to listen to you.

I understand, constitution gives you the right to speak against free speech as well. I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense for ACLU to support people who want to take away your right to free speech. Also you're right that we can't give everybody the one hour of free speech on TV, can we?. But it is in the interest of the country as a whole that all viewpoints are heard. But if one person can buy all TV-stations then…

>I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense for ACLU to support people who want to take away your right to free speech.

It is supporting their right to freedom of speech, not supporting them, in my view.

>But it is in the interest of the country as a whole that all viewpoints are heard. But if one person can buy all TV-stations then he will have free speech and nobody else really does.

Did nobody have freedom of expression before television? Broadcast media is just one way of communicating ideas, and TV is a decreasingly relevant part of the media. TV is worse than it used to be largely because nobody really watches it anymore except for sports.

>It used to be law that there are limits to how many millions one person or corporation can use to win elections.

There is very little evidence that spending more on election advertising actually does anything. Hillary and Harris both spend much more than Trump and lost. Biden spent more and won. Obama spent less and won. The statistics across a wide range of elections at different scales don't show it having much effect. It is probably important to even be an option, but it doesn't win elections.

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