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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by psb217 »

ryandrake wrote: post #689
_heimdall wrote: post #530

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I'm not sure how LLMs/AI couldn't consolidate power. By design, it will move power from the individual to those running the AI systems.

I'm not sure I understand how a hallucinating plagiarism machine that people mostly just use to write their term papers translates into "power" (presumably political power? I don't understand what kind of power we're talking about either).

The ability to inject your preferred biases into the system that people use for finding or generating nearly all information they consume on a day-to-day basis is extremely powerful. Eg, if all "term papers" produced by this plagiarism machine are now 20% more favourable to the machine's owner than they would otherwise be, that can have significant, compounding long-term effects.

Of course, similar things could be said about controlling information flow through: social networks, newspapers, printed books, or whatever the town crier shouts in town square. But, each advancement in information dissemination tends to be power concentrating relative to the older tech, and I don't see any reason why this most recent advance won't follow that trend.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by niceice »

Tycho wrote: post #708
BluSyn wrote: post #697

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You seem to be assuming that the full cost of the cluster is recouped by Grok 3. The real value will be in grok 5, 6, etc… xAI also announced a few days ago they are starting an internal video game studio. How long before AI companies take over Hollywood and Disney? The value available to be captured is massive. The cluster they’ve built is impressive compared to the competition, and grok 3 barely scratches what it’s…

Yes. Why do get these replies on HN that seem to only consider the most shallow, surface details? It could well be that xAI wins the AI race by betting on hardware first and foremost - new ideas are quickly copied by everyone, but a compute edge is hard to match.

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by zamalek »

card_zero wrote: post #422
zamalek wrote: post #261

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I use them as a springboard for things I am really unfamiliar with. I'm self-learning electronics at the moment, and so I can ask it things like "what's a common and widely available cooperator." You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is. It's a weak jack of all trades: it knows a fair amount about the sum of human knowledge (which is objectively super-human), but can't…

That's a mistake for "comparator", isn't it. You've allowed the AI to train you to use the wrong word through a shared delusion, haven't you. Edit: if anybody knows otherwise, show me some evidence, don't just downvote. If these things are widely used, why are they impossible to find by searching? Why doesn't this electronics site know about them: https://www.eeeguide.com/?s=cooperator Why aren't they in any books wh…

It's an autocorrect. I did mean comparator. Presumeably the second link you pasted ran into the same problem.

> You've allowed the AI to train you to use the wrong word through a shared delusion, haven't you.

What an awful interpretation, phrased in the most demeaning manner possible. No, I double check everything the AI suggests. That's basic competency with the things.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by soheil »

ijustlovemath wrote: post #573
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

What's remarkable to me about criticism like this is how quickly it's rebutted by people claiming "where did they say they would do this," as if these people don't make incredibly rushed and poorly planned decisions all the time. It's like an idea immune system that rejects any criticism or self reflection. It would be sociologically fascinating if it wasn't being combined with a dereliction of congressional power an…

You do realize you and your OP are currently top comments in your respective threads both criticizing Elon and even preemptively criticize your imaginary criticizers

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by bamboozled »

ban-evader wrote: post #676
bamboozled wrote: post #656

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I’m not sure if that’s the case. He’s obviously a smart man, but what’s truly unbelievable is that someone has so much resources that they can make something like this happen (what looks like) pretty casually.

He knows how to take money from people and then market things as if they’re his creations which then turns into him having more money because people think it’s a good investment to give him more money. It’s really quite a genius con he has going. It seems as if the sky is the limit too.

Remember when he got caught having people play games for him so he had a top ranking ? He does that with basically everything.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

BluSyn wrote: post #697
gmerc wrote: post #668

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You seem to be assuming that the full cost of the cluster is recouped by Grok 3. The real value will be in grok 5, 6, etc… xAI also announced a few days ago they are starting an internal video game studio. How long before AI companies take over Hollywood and Disney? The value available to be captured is massive. The cluster they’ve built is impressive compared to the competition, and grok 3 barely scratches what it’s…

How quickly will Grok 4/5/6 be released? Of course you can choose to keep running older GPUs for years, but if you want bleeding edge performance then you need to upgrade, so I'm not sure how many model generations the cost can really be spread over.

Also, what isn't clear is how RL-based reasoning model training compute requirements compares to earlier models. OpenAI have announced that GPT 4.5 will be their last non-reasoning model, so it seems we're definitely at a transition point now.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by soheil »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

Never seen HN turned against someone so vehemently, it's as if a group of bots was set lose to criticize a certain individual.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by rtkwe »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #667
rtkwe wrote: post #640

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Getting them to actually do something useful other than generating text is still a work in progress. What do you envision them actually doing in this integration?

Why does it need to work beyond text-based output?

If it's not doing something actually related to/integrated with the car why does it need to be an app there instead of just living on your phone like all our existing digital assistants?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by MrMan »

srid wrote: post #541
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible. Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by samvher »

coldpie wrote: post #576
awongh wrote: post #218

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I absolutely hate the Elon hypetrain, but I also don't understand the social media hate I see for AI, like comparing every ChatGPT answer to one wasted bottle of water. Can we stop for a second and just marvel at a new piece of human ingenuity? Let's not give Elon too much credit, but I think that AI as a whole helps us all understand the nature of intelligence, and therefore humans' place in the universe. One of the…

> I also don't understand the social media hate I see for AI, like comparing every ChatGPT answer to one wasted bottle of water. Can we stop for a second and just marvel at a new piece of human ingenuity? I don't know, man. We're staring down the barrel of at best a WW3-event and at worst an extinction-event. We're doing absolutely nothing to stop it, even though we have all the answers and the resources to do so. In…

What's happening definitely makes me nervous, but "at best a WW3-event and at worst an extinction-event" seems a bit much. Mainly because there are a _lot_ of unknowns. Better try to get comfortable with just riding this out.
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