Good reporting here. Clarifies why the kid was fired for leaking documents - it was specifically for leaking internal corporate documents to a competitor. The details about cybercrime discords involved in SWATting and DDOS attacks are fascinating. The idea that anyone involved in this would be fast-tracked for a clearance is beyond the pale.
This assumes that leaking is a compulsive behavior. The federal government has stronger incentives to offer for not leaking information. Getting fired is nothing.
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I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. This in their mind is not about improving anything in the government for citizens, or with regard to US interests, it's about gaining access to a hostile entity without regard to their interes…
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#723It has been a fairly common story, and part rumor, that intelligence agencies like to recruit young people active in the cyber criminal scene, and that the IT security industry also adapted this approach. They basically becomes part informer and part subject expert, especially since IT security expertise seems to be a difficult subject matter to teach in universities. When I studied IT security in university, about 1…
The latter displays no competency in hacking or cybersecurity, only the attempt to harm another.
My concern in their access to secure government systems is not their hacking competency (which has not been demonstrated), but their sociopathy which has.
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No, this is clearly not the same guy. This is just someone who took Coristine's previous handle [0]. That post was made 1 day after the WIRED article revealing his handle. Lots of conspiracies around election stealing going round (and sadly, quite prevalent in some corners of Bluesky), don't fall for it! [0]: https://www.wired.com/story/edward-coristine-tesla-sexy-path... - "He also *previously* used an account on X…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9gCyRkpPe8 Elon Musk knows 'those vote counting computers' -Trump
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#726Ignoring the horrifying political parts, I think one aspect here about data access that is inherently worrying is that it seems like all usual controls were bypassed and the DOGE people had very low level access to systems. So there are probably copies of sensitive data now in their possession, and nobody knows exactly what was copied and where it is stored. This kind of access would be dangerous even in the hands of…
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#727Can anyone recommend a journalist who is reporting the facts of what’s happening on this subject? From what I can tell, it’s widely been reported that - Elon Musk was allowed into the Department of Education - “Big Balls” accessed Treasury computers - etc… But I have not been able to find any first person testimony that confirms those statements. From what I can tell Tom Krause is actually the one who was given acces…
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4g2q62xqo Ordering them to delete everything they got copies of, and the subsequent frustration from Musk. Why cares who personally violated federal law? However he managed to, Musk got unlawful access to restricted data.
Can you articulate what federal law you think that order says was violated?
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What's more worrying is whether the access can realistically be revoked. As a general rule, when a security even rises to the level of root access to internal systems, you don't even try to remove them - you just rebuild the affected VMs from scratch because it's the only way to be sure the attacker didn't leave anything behind. For the systems we're talking about, payment processing stuff at Treasury and Social Secu…
How does someone even clean up this mess? One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need to fed it to an AI to figure out how things work. We can only assume the worst and that foreign adversaries may already be combing the code line by line. What will happen when PIIs of every individual with dealings with the Treasury gets leaked? Then there is…
We see what happens when big companies leak personal data - almost nothing. Maybe they give you 3 months of 'credit monitoring' or 'identity theft monitoring' service, maybe they write an apology press release. We've seen how Trump presents things, he quite realistically could say either "it was Democrats weak security, we're fixing it" or "hackers must have got it, we'll clean it up" or even "fake news" and then ... do nothing, we never hear about it again and the affected people deal with it as best they can. Why would you expect more than that to happen - a newspaper writes a damning article, lawsuits are filed, the news moves on in 24 hours.
We saw how he reacted to COVID, it wasn't a world class good reaction.
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I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. This in their mind is not about improving anything in the government for citizens, or with regard to US interests, it's about gaining access to a hostile entity without regard to their interes…
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I'm thinking 2/3, but the part you're missing is that the process will destroy US influence around the world. Which may be the real point of all this. It's hard to know where Musk's allegiances really lie. With that said, the US has been in the dominant world position for so long, it's like they forget what it takes to be there. Soft power, by giving people food and support - like USAID does, is part of what helps ke…
I hear this argument a lot and I have two thoughts about it: 1. USA is a rich country, and that's why it can afford helping other countries. But what if you overspend? Now your economy is weak, you lag behind, and sooner or later competitors help more than you (if it's really the best thing to do to rule the world). So maybe optimizing spending is in order? And I think one strategy to optimize an overgrown system is…
To avoid overspending and crashing the economy (I don't think the govt spending tax money crashes the economy but I'm no economist either), allowing competitors to help more and gaining more influence, "one strategy" is to simply destroy US influence around the world? To "start from scratch"?
No, I don't think that is a viable, even credible strategy. Like "saving human consciousness" by going to Mars: if we are under threat to destroy ourselves (and that is the real imminent threat, not asteroids), then whatever we need to learn to avoid that we can learn much better on Earth, than on a colony that.... depends on Earth. It's not even a serious proposal when it comes to benefiting humanity, maybe the idea is to live on Mars for a few decades as humanity is withers.
And in the same way, firing countless US government workers nilly-willy, even out of some vendetta (FBI agents that just did their job? hello?), immediately creates a LOT of pressure on the economy (if you don't just view it as a big number that a handful of dudes own most of, and care about the people in it). Whatever you want to "start from scratch" (all of it you could also have done without burning everything down first), you now have less resources to do that, because, well, everything is on fire. The saved money is supposed to go to tax cuts for the rich after all, right? At any rate I'm confident it's not going to be spend on more efficient social programs, but simply less or none. And people who can do these jobs well will not be keen to be re-hired by the same government that fired them, either.
If someone wants to talk you into knocking down your house so you save rent and can build a new one quicker, and has something to gain from it, at best they're insane, at worst they're playing dumber than they are, since they stand to gain from it.
> Does the "soft power" work if people get used to your help?
I'd say the longer you interact and cooperate with others the better the relationship usually gets, all else being equal.
> I wonder how much of the negative effects are read as "evil USA stopped giving us money" and how much "oh so it was USA that was helping us all this time!"
You are so very vastly underestimating the impacts these knee-jerk, unilateral activities have.
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> This is horrific. Freezing clinical trials means that people with experimental medicine - participating in studies that benefit us all - may be left without access to healthcare, we won’t know their outcomes, they may even have experimental medical devices left inside of their body.