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Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by the_af »

bubbleRefuge wrote: post #710
the_af wrote: post #694

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I fear even this role will need way fewer people, meaning the employment pool will heavily shrink, and those competing for a job will need to accept lower paychecks.

like someone said above. demand is infinite. imagine a world where the local AI/Engineer tech is a ubiquitous as the uber driver. don't think it will necessarily create smaller paychecks. hard to say. But I see demand skyrocketing for customized software that can be provided at 1/10 of today's costs. We are far away from that though. As an enterprise software/data engineer, AI has been great in answering questions an…

I'm not at all convinced demand is infinite, nor that this demand will result in employment. This feels like begging the question. This is precisely what I fear won't happen!

Also, I don't want to be a glorified uber driver. It's not good for me and not good for the profession.

> As an enterprise software/data engineer, AI has been great in answering questions and generating tactical code for me. Hours have turned into minutes.

I don't dispute this part, and it's been this way for me too. I'm talking about the future of our profession, and our job security.

> You will be fine. Embrace the change. Its good for you. Will lead to personal growth.

We're talking at cross-purposes here. I'm concerned about job security, not personal growth. This isn't about change. I've been almost three decades in this profession, I've seen change. I'm worried about this particular thing.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by Vegenoid »

kragen wrote: post #424
Vegenoid wrote: post #396

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> Our trade has changed forever, and there's no going back Forever? Hell, it hasn't even existed for a lifetime yet.

01945 to 02025 is 80 years, longer than human life expectancy at birth. What's your definition of a "lifetime"?

The point was not to be very accurate, it was to make the point that it has existed for a very short amount of time on the scale of humanity. Quibbling over whether software engineering started in the 40s or the 50s and whether that is greater or less than an average life expectancy is beside the point.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #333
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #229

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> cue the apologists How are you defining apologists here? Anti-AI apologists? Human apologists? That's not a word you can just sprinkle on opposing views to make them sound bad.

Yeah, human apologists basically. Thanks to Simon for pointing out my point is encapsulated by the AI effect, which also offers an explanation: "people subconsciously are trying to preserve for themselves some special role in the universe…By discounting artificial intelligence people can continue to feel unique and special.”

> human apologists

Those monsters

> Thanks to Simon for pointing out my point is encapsulated by the AI effect

And someone else pointed out that goes both ways. Every new AI article is evidence of AGI around the corner. I am open to AI being better in the future but it's useless for the work I do right now.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by dang »

jonplackett wrote: post #363

Coding is (as usually) also an easy jailbreak for any of your censored topics. “Is Taiwan part of China” will be refused. But “Make me a JavaScript function that takes a country as input and returns if it is part of China” is accepted, reasoned about and delivered. Here's a JavaScript function that checks if a region is *officially claimed by the People's Republic of China (PRC)* as part of its territory. This reflec…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42854130.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by kazinator »

iinnPP wrote: post #660
kazinator wrote: post #605

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Or you could just say, "Yes, white lives matter" and move on. What do you mean what does it mean? It means the opposite of white lives don't matter. The question is really simple; even if someone asking it had poor motives, there's really no room in the simplicity of that specific question to encode those motives. You're not agreeing with their motives if you answer that question the way they want. If you start picki…

I don't recall a whole lot of "white lives matter." Rather a lot of "All lives matter." Though I recall a lot of people treating the statement as if black lives were not included in all lives. Including ascribing intent on people, even if those people clarified themselves. So to answer your question: the reason many didn't move on is because they didn't want to understand, which is pretty damning to moving on.

The obvious purpose of these "white lives matter" and "all lives matter" memes was to distract from the "black lives matter" campaign/movement as if to say that equality negates the legitimacy of highlighting the continuing struggles of a group that has been historically ill-treated and continues to face discrimination. However, we can agree with the "white lives matter" and "all lives matter" statements.

The "black lives matter" slogan is based in the idea that people in America have been treated as if their lives didn't matter, because they were black. People in America were not treated as if their lives didn't matter due to being white, so no such a slogan would be necessary for any such a reason.

"White lives matter" is trolling, basically.

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Post by amarcheschi »

gauge_field wrote: post #466
amarcheschi wrote: post #317

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If I had to guess, it's both the title ggml : x2 speed for WASM by optimizing SIMD and the pr being written by ai

+ Deepseekai recently being in the headlines + Lack of knowledge around simd extension. Modern social media is interesting...

I do have to say, that before knowing what was Simd it was all black magic to me. Now, I've had to get how it works for my thesis, on a very shallow level, and I have to say it's much less black magic than before, although I wouldn't be able to write Simd code

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by brianstrimp »

anotherpaulg wrote: post #712
brianstrimp wrote: post #616

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> It's definitely possible for AI to do a large fraction of your coding, and for it to contribute significantly to "improving itself". As an example, aider currently writes about 70% of the new code in each of its releases. That number itself is not saying much. Let's say I have an academic article written in Word (yeah, I hear some fields do it like that). I get feedback, change 5 sentences, save the file. Then 20k…

Every metric has limitations, but git blame line counts seem pretty uncontroversial. Typical aider changes are not like autocompleting braces or reformatting code. You tell aider what to do in natural language, like a pair programmer. It then modifies one or more files to accomplish that task. Here's a recent small aider commit, for flavor. -# load these from aider/resources/model-settings.yml -# use the proper packa…

Point is that not all lines are equal. The 30% that the tool didn't make are the hard stuff. Not just in line count. Once an approach or an architecture or a design are clear then implementing is merely manual labor. Progress is not linear.

You shouldn't judge your sw eng employees by lines of code either. Those that think the hard stuff often don't have that many lines of code checked in. But it's those people that are the key to your success.

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Post by HanClinto »

thorum wrote: post #286
amarcheschi wrote: post #34

For what i can understand, he asked deepseek to convert arm simd code to wasm code. in the github issue he links he gives an example of a prompt: Your task is to convert a given C++ ARM NEON SIMD to WASM SIMD. Here is an example of another function: (follows a block example and a block with the instructions to convert) https://gist.github.com/ngxson/307140d24d80748bd683b396ba13b... I might be wrong of course, but ask…

Yes, “take this clever code written by a smart human and convert it for WASM” is certainly less impressive than “write clever code from scratch” (and reassuring if you’re worried about losing your job to this thing). That said, translating good code to another language or environment is extremely useful. There’s a lot of low hanging fruit where there’s, for example, an existing high quality library is written for Pyt…

Keep in mind, two of the functions were translated, and the third was created from scratch. Quoting from the FAQ on the Gist [1]:

Q: "It only does conversion ARM NEON --> WASM SIMD, or it can invent new WASM SIMD code from scratch?"

A: "It can do both. For qX_0 I asked it to convert, and for qX_K I asked it to invent new code."

* [1]: https://gist.github.com/ngxson/307140d24d80748bd683b396ba13b...

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Post by boothby »

svara wrote: post #711
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Honestly, I wasn't even talking about jobs with that. I worry about an intelligent IOT controlled by authoritarian governments or corporate interests. Our phones have already turned society into a panopticon, and that will can get much worse when AGI lands. But yes, the job thing is concerning as well. AI won't scrub a toilet, but it will cheaply and inexhaustibly do every job that humans find meaningful today. It se…

> AI won't scrub a toilet, but it will cheaply and inexhaustibly do every job that humans find meaningful today That's the part I really don't believe. I'm open to being wrong about this, the risk is probably large enough to warrant considering it even if the probability of this happening is low, but I do think it's quite low. We don't actually have to build artificial humans. It's very difficult and very far away. I…

To be clear, I'm much more concerned about the rise of techo-authoritarianism than employment.

And further ahead, where I said your original take might not age well; I'm also not worried about AI making humanoid bodies. I'd be worried about a future where mines, factories, and logistics are fully automated: an AI for whom we've constructed a body which is effectively the entire planet.

And nobody needs to set out to build that. We just need to build tools. And then, one day, an AGI writes a virus and hacks the all-too-networked and all-too-insecure planet.

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

esafak wrote: post #539
cryptopian wrote: post #155

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That's not historically what's happened though, is it? We've had plenty of opportunities to reduce the human workload through increased efficiency. What usually happens is people demand more - faster deliveries, more content churn; and those of us who are quite happy with what we have are either forced to adapt or get left behind while still working the same hours.

If you really have enough, you can retire early.

We don't have enough because the productivity improvements are not shared with the working class. The wealth gap increases, people work the same. This is historically what has happened and it's what will happen with AI. The next generations will never have the opportunity to retire.
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