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Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#721

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I walk and run on trails a fair bit¹ so my watch is mostly a route planning/tracking/recording tool. When training for something I will often at least consider its recommendations and those are based partly on the health readings as well as the training load it has tracked from treks/runs. Though TBH other than that the health tracking is unimportant compared to it being a GPS device that can track for a day or more…

Can you unpack a little more by what you mean when you say you use the watch to plan your route? Do you mean to say you're using the watch – with that tiny display – to choose whether you run over hill A or around town B? And what is the point of the tracking? Do you take time out of your day to review your past runs for some reason? My completely uninformed self is imagining a person sitting at their desk thinking,…

> with that tiny display – to choose whether you run over hill A or around town B?

Previous devices I've had only did breadcrumb mapping, though you can match the trace you are making or the pre-programmed trace you are following with a paper map to make such decisions. I upgraded a while back to one that has actual map data so what you suggest is actually possible, though I use it to augment my paper map with accurate positioning rather than to replace it for navigation decision-making.

> … what you mean when you say you use the watch to plan your route?

“Plan” is probably overstating it. Most of the time I'm following a route and using it to make sure I don't go too far off course, or if I deliberately take a detour (“ooh, I bet the view from over there is pretty”…) to help me get back on course afterwards.

The watch does have enough map data and enough brains to plot a simple route to a waypoint, it can certainly reverse a trace to make a track “home”, but I don't use any of that. If I'm somewhere where I have a few relevant routes already in the watch I can switch mid-outing if I decide to do something longer/shorter, and if I go off my beaten track I can use it (possibly along with my paper map to make decisions about doing direct or around bits of landscape) to roughly guide me to a known place.

I do sometimes use the traces to plan future routes though, especially when I've been out exploring new routes or a completely fresh area. For example if I spun 180⁰ somewhere there is a good chance there was an obstacle at that point I might want to avoid in future, which may not be obvious on the paper map, but I remember when I see the past trace. Route traces can be nice to share too: I can hand send friend a route that I particularly enjoyed, and they can do the same back.

These days most trail runs hand out a GPX trace for you to more-or-less follow (allowing for number-of-points resolution issues on any given watch & such), but back when I started events would often just give a description. I would go out to do a recce of parts of the route following the description and paper map, maybe getting lost a few times due to missing a turn, and back home I could edit the trace to cut out those deviations so on event day I had a reasonably accurate path to follow (the watch vibrates if I go beyond a certain distance off-course, which I might do intentionally to avoid a temporary blockage like an angry looking bull in a field but don't want to do accidentally by, say, missing a somewhat hidden turning).

Some people use the location & speed tracking data in conjunction with heart rate, temperature, and such, to tweak their training plan, but I don't go into that detail.

> imagining a person […] thinking, "Oh yeah, that was a good run. Look at that part where I turned the corner onto Market Street! Hah, I remember that, good times."

I do have a plan at some point to make a big map of the moors & dales for my wall, with my favourite routes (from events or personal outings) marked on, the tracking data will be useful for that if it can be made to integrate nicely with whatever I end up using to draw the main map. Like the world maps people have on which they mark which countries/cities they've visited. I've had a fair number of good times out in the green. Less so for city outings or other road/pavement routes.

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#722
> Aren’t you the guy who screwed this up last time?

> Yes, the one and only. I think I’ve learned some valuable lessons.

I'm glad Eric is self-aware. I was PISSED when Pebble shut down JUST after the Kickstarter. I was in the process of porting the UI from my favorite Nooka watch to Pebble...oh man, now I just remembered the founder of Nooka spent a decade working on the Sa umbrella that never released.

These guys are a huge reason I don't back Kickstarter projects anymore.

I signed up for updates only so I can get a modern Pebble but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#723
post #382

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I can't get over garmins predatory business model. The way they bin their products by activity is terrible if you have multiple hobbies. All of these devices are just a gps reciever, screen, battery, yet they sell it to you a dozen different ways for $500+ a pop usually because why unify the software and make it easy for the consumer?

That’s just marketing surely? Is there any activity that you’d want, apart from diving, missing from a fenix/epix?

The watches are terrible replacements for the dedicated unit for activities like cycling, hiking, even golfing imo (don't like anything like that on my wrist).

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#724
post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't get over garmins predatory business model. The way they bin their products by activity is terrible if you have multiple hobbies. All of these devices are just a gps reciever, screen, battery, yet they sell it to you a dozen different ways for $500+ a pop usually because why unify the software and make it easy for the consumer?

There are some models that basically do them all - fenix, epix etc.

Watches, not gps units. Why is the garmin approach unit and garmin bike gps different products? why cant I get a unit that can do both of these things and also abrogate hiking trail maps? Storage is dirt cheap in 2025 is it not? So I don't think its a matter of cramming a limited number of functions on a few kb internal storage like the old days.

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#725
post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't get over garmins predatory business model. The way they bin their products by activity is terrible if you have multiple hobbies. All of these devices are just a gps reciever, screen, battery, yet they sell it to you a dozen different ways for $500+ a pop usually because why unify the software and make it easy for the consumer?

> why unify the software and make it easy for the consumer I honestly believe that selling them as separate products is easier. Both for the company who can focus in on the advertising, and for 99% of the customers who can go straight to their hobby. That being said, it does look like the very first watch on their website is specifically in its own multi-sport category.

They only offer that for watches and often certain features are cribbed within that watch vs the dedicated sport one (I know this is the case for the golf line where the multi sport watch have limited featureset). Really I want the head unit. Thats what people want on their bikes. Thats what people use hiking. Thats what I like for golf just something smaller than my wallet to slip into my pocket (incidentally I carry a simple bushnell gps that goes for a fraction of the price). But Garmin doesn't offer that. If I want all of that I need three units, one for the bike, the garmin approach, and one of their hiking units. Really therre is nothing stopping any of these devices from offering the same functions but an insistence of binning these into different skus in the hopes of selling multiples to someone who already shells out on multiple personal hobbies. No advantage to the consumer with how it is lined up, only pain.

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#726
I'm hoping that you can revive some of the fitness tracking features of the Basis B1/Peak smart watches. I especially loved the galvanic skin response and skin temperature monitoring with the air temperature sensing. It was amazing to be able to identify stress by comparing these values.

I could literally identify when I was in an job interview or going dancing without just relying on my heart rate. My heart rate during the interview was relatively flat but elevated; however, my galvanic skin response spiked hard (sweating) and my skin temperature dipped without a similar air temperature change. On the other hand while dancing, I had reactive heart rate, varying galvanic, and rising skin/air temperature (lots of warm bodies).

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#727
post #220

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There exists 'smart bands', which can be applied to any (generally non-smart, obviously) watch that uses normal pin-style watchbands. They have a contactless chip in them that can store one card. My traditional watches use them, though I had to custom-make one of the bands to be in a style I wanted.

From what I've seen these aren't available in the US, unless I've missed one. (I would be very interested if so!)

The only one I'm aware of in the US is the basically-discontinued Timex Pay. It requires a Chase bank account / card to link with, however.

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#728
post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There exists 'smart bands', which can be applied to any (generally non-smart, obviously) watch that uses normal pin-style watchbands. They have a contactless chip in them that can store one card. My traditional watches use them, though I had to custom-make one of the bands to be in a style I wanted.

How do those handle user authentication and card installation? I assume you need support from your bank for the former and PINs for the latter?

My (Timex Pay) one seems to function using a virtual card (remotely lockable) provided by the bank, which uses some sort of tokenization-based security chip on the band itself. I imagine there's probably some security flaws because they provide the NFC encoders to the user. It's backed by https://tappytech.com

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#729
post #52

I love the animation when you click "No" on "Do you want a new Pebble?". So extra.

Gotta be honest I feel like Garmin is the perfect balance of pebble vs apple watch

Did you randomly bring this up, or are you saying this because you see a Garmin redirect when you click "No"?

I ask because I get directed to the Apple Watch homepage.

Re: We're bringing Pebble back

#730
I was a backer for the original and then again for your final run. Sadly you never delivered on the Pebble Core... The product I'd been dreaming of for years.

I hope something similar is in the works as it hit all the right notes for me.

I'd still be wearing my Kickstarter edition to this day except it succumbed to the screen pressure issue and couldn't be opened to fix it without destroying the screen. Note: please don't glue this version together.

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