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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by fweimer »

Stevvo wrote: post #717
fweimer wrote: post #715

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I had not thought about it that way. It's not such a great deal if you feel you belong wherever you are living now in Europe, and view yourself a quasi-citizen and European (even in case if there's no realistic path to citizenship due to your personal circumstances).

What's a "quasi-citizen"?

Someone with pretty much all the rights of citizenship (including that deportation is only a very distant possibility), except for voting rights and the formal recognition of citizenship status. Kind of what you get if you move within the Schengen area, maybe except for the deportation part.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by hellgas00 »

kypro wrote: post #483
rayiner wrote: post #385

Does the economist know what time it is? Nationalism is resurgent: nationalist parties now control the U.S. and Italy. Canada seems poised to Poilievre, who has made impassioned appeals to Canadian nationalism. And in Germany, France, and the U.K., nationalist parties have effectively rendered the governing coalitions impotent, even if they cannot yet command a majority. What a time to suggest that Canadians cede the…

The left-wing party in the UK has only just won its largest majority in history and we don't have another election for 5 years. That is largely because the right has split into populist right and centre-right parties though.

You last point is the most pertinent. Labour didn't win a majority because they offered compelling platform ideas, they won because the Cons failed to deliver on their platform and Reform UK exploited that failure to split the conservative vote.

Opinion polls already have Labour and Cons at an even tie with Reform UK doubling their overall popularity in just 6 months.

All this to say I wouldn't want to suggest that the trend towards nationalist politics ended with a Labour majority but rather that the Conservative Party wasn't sufficiently nationalist enough to entice public sentiments away from Reform UK

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by philwelch »

dzogchen wrote: post #698
philwelch wrote: post #544

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Exactly what I was going to say. It was only in the 1980’s that Canada fully freed itself of British domination; there’s no justification for Europe to regain any political control over any independent country in the Western Hemisphere.

To be fair there is very little centralized control of EU member states. But the US will not be happy regardless.

Lots of colonies have “very little centralized control” exerted by their mother countries; it’s the principle of the thing.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by philipwhiuk »

rayiner wrote: post #576
kypro wrote: post #483

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The left-wing party in the UK has only just won its largest majority in history and we don't have another election for 5 years. That is largely because the right has split into populist right and centre-right parties though.

Labour won the election, but Starmer’s approval rating is already down to 27% after just six months. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/dissatisfaction-starmer-reaches-... . That’s not surprising given that Labour got half a million fewer votes than it did in 2019, when it lost in a landslide, but won anyway because of infighting among the right wing. That’s what I meant when I said nationalists have rendered ruling parties…

Approval ratings are stupid. The 27% on a ~65% turnout roughly corresponds to the % who voted for them.

Labour aren't impotent due to the 'excellent' nature of our system, they have all of the power.

And as much as Musk blathers, there won't be an election for several years.

And Labour aren't a coalition, it's one party. It's the right that would be fragile if it decided to coalesce.

Reform took from Labour as well, there's no guarantee that an extremely fragile Tory-Reform coalition would work.

Plus Reform have almost no seats, they'd need something way more formal than an a coalition - they'd need to agree not to stand in the same seats.

If the voting priorities changed then not only would Reform get more seats, but so would the actual left wing parties.

In short, you haven't got a damn clue what you're talking about.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by philipwhiuk »

rayiner wrote: post #710
adammarples wrote: post #666

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This is nonsense. Labour have a huge majority, there is no coalition, and their fall from popularity is 100% their own making and largely down to their own left wing policies (increased taxation, lying about it, bungs to unions, increased workers rights) and perceived corruption due to freebies (clothes, glasses). Labour basically ignore the right wing as irrelevant, Reform are only currently a problem for the Conser…

It’s also a problem for Labour that what’s stopping the right from winning the next election is in-fighting about how far right to go.

No it's not.

Left-wing parties got 62% of the vote.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by philipwhiuk »

stuaxo wrote: post #711
adammarples wrote: post #666

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This is nonsense. Labour have a huge majority, there is no coalition, and their fall from popularity is 100% their own making and largely down to their own left wing policies (increased taxation, lying about it, bungs to unions, increased workers rights) and perceived corruption due to freebies (clothes, glasses). Labour basically ignore the right wing as irrelevant, Reform are only currently a problem for the Conser…

This version of Labour has been against the left of their own party and trying (unsuccessfully) to court the right. They would call it centrist "practical" "adults in the room" or whatever, while those 'left' behind simply see it as a slide to the right. It looks like they want to be more like the Democrats in the US who are roughly where the UK conservatives used to be before everything shifted rightward. (Of course…

The Democrats in the US are still to the right of the Tories in the UK.

Your analogy is fatally flawed.

Ask a Democrat where they stand on gun control. Ask a Tory.

Ask a Democrat where they stand on nationalisation of George Washington University Hospital. Ask a Tory where they stand on the privatisation of St Thomas' Hospital.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #719
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #702

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It’s an immigrant community that refused to integrate into the culture that existed there before them. If that sounds ridiculous it is because this entire conversation is ridiculous.

> It’s an immigrant community that refused to integrate into the culture that existed there before them. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, you're in need of a major history lesson, like how the British first basically committed genocide with the expulsion of the Acadia French, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians , and then when they realized that was a collosal fuck up they explicitly put policies in place to…

Where did the Acadians come from? Sounds like another immigrant enclave.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by philipwhiuk »

boringg wrote: post #506
kypro wrote: post #483

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The left-wing party in the UK has only just won its largest majority in history and we don't have another election for 5 years. That is largely because the right has split into populist right and centre-right parties though.

Yes but that isn't at all reflective of Canada and things in the UK aren't looking that great.

> things in the UK aren't looking that great

Sure they are. No election for about 4 years. Left wing party with 100% of the actual power.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #724
rayiner wrote: post #576

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Labour won the election, but Starmer’s approval rating is already down to 27% after just six months. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/dissatisfaction-starmer-reaches-... . That’s not surprising given that Labour got half a million fewer votes than it did in 2019, when it lost in a landslide, but won anyway because of infighting among the right wing. That’s what I meant when I said nationalists have rendered ruling parties…

Approval ratings are stupid. The 27% on a ~65% turnout roughly corresponds to the % who voted for them. Labour aren't impotent due to the 'excellent' nature of our system, they have all of the power. And as much as Musk blathers, there won't be an election for several years. And Labour aren't a coalition, it's one party. It's the right that would be fragile if it decided to coalesce. Reform took from Labour as well,…

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by amadeuspagel »

Fun idea, but the gap in values between America and Europe is immense and growing.

Canada has jus soli, like all countries of the Americas, but unlike any European country.

The EU is getting more radical about border enforcement and deportations.

I'm not sure how land acknowledgements are supposed to work in europe.

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