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Re: GitHub cuts AI deals with Google, Anthropic

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It literally does, even if you don't like it.

You're free to explain how you think it's linked to the issue if you want to, but it just isn't. Yes, Microsoft contributes some open source software. That obviously does not preclude them from being exploitative toward other creators of open source software.

Some? So you're not even aware. They're the largest OSS company in the history of OSS even if you don't like it. That's the link you're obviously missing.

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Wait, does this provide UNLIMITED completions via Claude 3.5 Sonnet for a single $10/month subscription? Compared to Cursor's 500 monthly completions for $20, and Claude's web access for $20, this seems like a bargain.

So I subscribed to test this out. While Claude is not yet available, there are tight rate limits on o1-preview (~10 messages in a 15 minute window); this is low enough that it hampers anything close to "flow". You can't switch models inside a single request, and it does not follow Aider's clear split (in Architect mode) between "plan" and "implement". If Copilot Editor decides to start implementing file changes along…

I think it’s unlimited for Claude

But I wonder who’s paying for it? I haven’t heard anything about GitHub paying discounted prices for AWS Bedrock. Or if Anthropic gets a cut

Re: GitHub cuts AI deals with Google, Anthropic

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Interestingly GitHub (a Microsoft entity) will use Amazon Bedrock to run Claude Sonnet. > Claude 3.5 Sonnet runs on GitHub Copilot via Amazon Bedrock, leveraging Bedrock’s cross-region inference to further enhance reliability. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/github-copilot

GitHub actually uses AWS quite frequently

They act very independently from Microsoft

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I'm actually very curious why AI use is such a bi-modal experience. I've used AI to move multi thousand line codebases between languages. I've created new apps from scratch with it. My theory is the willingness to baby sit and the modality. I'm perfectly fine telling the tool I use its errors and working side by side with it like it was another person. At the end of the day it can belt out lines of code faster than I…

MMV But for me at least i tend to use it for brain storming, aka intial sailing through a subject/topic/task, getting intial idea. the idea is to use as an admin who is guided by you throgh chatting. for example im given a task to translate a user description/requirement to pull something from the database. like (simplistic example) what are the top grossing films by category within each rating. so igive the AI the d…

The same here. It helps my slow autistic context switching a lot.

It's easier for me to recognize the ideas, concepts, keywords it has written than to recall them from memory when my "memory cache" is empty.

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I would love to find out where programmers are learning this idea: that writing code fast is ideal. If it takes 30 years to write one loc, it takes 30 years. Ideally, it takes 30 years to write zero lines of code.

>where programmers are learning this idea: >that writing code fast is ideal. At places that pay them.

I tried Cursor out for myself and I get it now.

Re: GitHub cuts AI deals with Google, Anthropic

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You're free to explain how you think it's linked to the issue if you want to, but it just isn't. Yes, Microsoft contributes some open source software. That obviously does not preclude them from being exploitative toward other creators of open source software.

Some? So you're not even aware. They're the largest OSS company in the history of OSS even if you don't like it. That's the link you're obviously missing.

I'm going to pretend for my sanity's sake that you're joking.

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I think it depends on the stakes of what you're building. A lot of the concerns you describe make me think you work in a larger company or team and so both the organizational stakes (maintenance, future changes, tech debt, other people taking it over) and the functional stakes (bug free, performant, secure, etc) are high? If the person you're responding to is cranking out a personal SaaS project or something they won…

I am quite interested in how LLMs would handle game development. Coming to game development from a long career in boutique applications and also enterprise software, game development is a whole different level of "boutique". I think both because of the coupled, convoluted complexity of much game logic, and because there are fewer open source examples of novel game code available to train on, they may struggle to be a…

It is a good example of how we are underestimating the human in the loop.

I know nothing about making a game. I am sure LLMs could help me try to make a game but surely they would help someone who has tried to make a game before more. On the other hand, the expert game developer is probably not helped as much either by the LLM as the person in the middle.

Scale that to basically all subjects. Then we get different opinions on the value of LLMs.

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> the intention of coding should never to be to belt out as many lines as possible That’s such an underrated statement. Especially when you consider the amount of code as a liability that you’ll have to take care later.

This presumes that it will be real humans that have to “take care” of the code later. A lot of the people that are hawking AI, especially in management, are chasing a future where there are no humans, because AI writes the code and maintains the code, no pesky expensive humans needed. And AI won’t object to things like bad code style or low quality code.

You know this future isn't happening anytime soon. Certainly not in the next 100 years. Until then, humans will be taking care of it and no one will want to work at a place working on some Fransketeinian codebase made via an LLM. And even when humans are only working on 5% of the codebase, that will likely be the most critical bit and will have the same problems regarding staff recruitment and retention.

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Did you dismiss two years of my accumulated writing about LLMs as "tutorial regurgitation"? Maybe you clicked the link to my series of posts that are in chronological order - https://simonwillison.net/series/using-llms/ - looked at the very first one about trying out GPT-3 from June 2022 and stopped reading. I probably shouldn't share that link any more!

I'm a big fan of your blog simonw, and it's interesting to see how a few of the people you've responded to here aren't receptive at all to your responses. I have become somewhat convinced that the 'ai doesn't help with programming crowd' is a little bit obtuse / entirely unwilling to experiment with new tools. It seems too much of a coincidence to see the same crowd that you've responded to struggle to perform basic…

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Re: GitHub cuts AI deals with Google, Anthropic

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These examples are not much different than tutorial regurgitation imo. I would not pass this off as solving the problems that programmers have in practice, imo.

Did you dismiss two years of my accumulated writing about LLMs as "tutorial regurgitation"? Maybe you clicked the link to my series of posts that are in chronological order - https://simonwillison.net/series/using-llms/ - looked at the very first one about trying out GPT-3 from June 2022 and stopped reading. I probably shouldn't share that link any more!

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