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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by alwa »

kragen wrote: post #689
HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #687

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The city of Rome had a population of a million people. The anonymity of the crowd is not new it's been here for millennia.

i live in a city with a population of 14 million people, but still most of my everyday transactional interactions like buying churros , chicken wings, or electrical supplies are with people i know and transact with repeatedly. that's because i walk there, lacking a motor vehicle. i imagine this was also true of day-to-day commerce in ancient rome, and of course the patron-client and master-slave relationships that we…

I agree: I live on and off in a city of many, many millions. Maybe it’s just the idiosyncrasy of how I choose to live and shop, but I personally know most of the people with whom I transact regularly in the same way you describe.

Including many of the specific humans who staff the handful of Anonymous Big Chain kinds of enterprises that have weaseled their way into our city: even one of those branches tends to have familiar faces managing or preferring to work the shift that overlaps with when I visit.

I would know how to seek social and transactional anonymity if I wanted to—just go do my shop in a different neighborhood!—but I don’t want to, and that seems pretty consistent with the way things are done in my city.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by tuna74 »

snozolli wrote: post #189
jamil7 wrote: post #168

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I think it’s pretty reasonable to expect people with cars to pay for parking?

Not at a public location that's too far or unsafe to walk to. We should have much higher density, high quality housing with plenty of public, walkable green spaces. They calling it "15-Minute Cities" now, but I always called it Tokyo.

I don't remember much "walkable green spaces" in Tokyo or other cities in Japan.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by tuna74 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #441
mschuster91 wrote: post #434

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> Once an area is platted for detached single family homes and big box stores on stroads, the physical layout is incompatible with non car life, and hence you have to literally destroy everything and start over with narrow streets and smaller plots of land. Not really. Repave the roads to make them slimmer, use the space gained to provide elevated sidewalks and bike lanes so people can see it with their own eyes that…

It won’t work, because until you provide everything without a car, people will want a car, which means space for a car, and once they have a car, they are going to use the car to travel to big box stores where they want parking for the car to buy their goods at lower prices due to economies of scale. And you can’t just repave roads, there are utilities and sewer that needs to be moved, and that’s the small problem. T…

"And you can’t just repave roads, there are utilities and sewer that needs to be moved, and that’s the small problem. The big problem is facing the outcry of very active voters for reducing their road space and making their commutes even a minute longer."

You don't have to redo sewers etc when you just change the surface by removing stroad space and adding bike lane space.

Also you can own a car and still bike to places.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by tsss »

ta_1138 wrote: post #457
flappyeagle wrote: post #277

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It creates a much worse problem actually. Why have a committed relationship when you can always press a button to look at hotties and have a pull at the sex slot machine? If they design the system right, their audience just won't marry or have long term stable relationships

Only the people that have really huge success rates, which is very small, and gets way worse as one ages. Have you seen the swipe stats from many Tinder users? What you describe is not a reality for even the top 1% of hetero male users.

It is true for the top 99% of women.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by AbstractH24 »

weberer wrote: post #21

I've noticed an uptick recently of large brands to start referring to themselves as "The [Brand] Community". The author pointed out Youtube here (who in an Orwellian manner calls their ToS "community guidelines") but I've also seen it with many other multi-million dollar companies such as Reddit, Twitter, etc. Young people today are reaching out for real support structures, but only receiving manipulation from corpor…

So many SasS companies have their own slack and discord communities that I'm working on a project to automatically scrape the channel where people can share job postings.

A couple of them let me install my own apps and use the API, which is disturbing, but most either don't or use the free Slack tier and have maxed out the number of apps that can be installed.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

vinnski wrote: post #523
pradn wrote: post #421

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The words "friend" (everyone knows how shallow a "Facebook friend" is), "share" ("ride-sharing" instead of calling a taxi), and "community" (is the entire customer base of Facebook really a community?) have been shorn of their sociable, human meanings. It's as if a corporation were mining the good will humans have accreted to those words over millenia. Sometimes there are communities in these spaces - NUMTOTs or smal…

Seems like almost every community nowadays has to have their own Discord server or private Facebook group. Often a deal-breaker for the more privacy-conscious people, unfortunately

I'm a contractor working on the GTM side of a well a respected company with a very active slack public community. And let's just say all the activity in slack is piped into their data lake.

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

verall wrote: post #700
somenameforme wrote: post #682

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It's mildly interesting to consider that one of the main arguments against an economically deflationary society is that people would have a motivation to hoard money which might deter things like investment or lending, yet in an inflationary society few seem concerned about the fact that we create a system that motivates trying to hoard 'things', including land. It also motivates trying to rent things to people inste…

It's not inflation, it's bad tax policy.

Please explain how 2x-3x housing costs in 4 years is due to tax policy.

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

a123b456c wrote: post #719
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #663

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This maps to my experience as well. I see families struggle with things I don’t recall seeing as a kid or teenager. We all had more people around. We were rarely functioning as such independent family units. And you’re right, my dad was a carpenter himself and he did all kinds of favours for people. Especially elderly people—mostly women—who couldn’t do the work themselves or easily afford to pay someone to. He would…

I mean, it's still possible to have non-transactional interactions. Many service providers appear truly surprised and then appreciative when I simply ask them how their day is going. Edit: Or maybe the surprise comes when they notice that I'm actually listening to their answer.

I don’t think this happened because of personal changes. Absent interference, people would almost certainly form close community. We need to look for the source of the interference, individual actions aren’t enough.

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Post by watwut »

anon291 wrote: post #644
watwut wrote: post #455

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Are you saying that a group where everyone has to be a catholic is somehow diverse? Also, nothing will ever be like the stuff we had when we were kids. Because in all our minds, that is the norm.

The Catholic church is racially and socioeconomically quite diverse, and produces the highest rate of interracial marriages of any religious group, and even slightly edges out atheists. It's as diverse as any company or organization championing diversity, because obviously anyone part of one particular movement / entity is not diverse in one axis of their life (institutional allegiance)

The youth clubs were not socioeconomically diverse, where I have seen them. Nor politically or culturally diverse.

In here, they are also as racist as everyone else conservative, but also we are fairly homogenous.

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