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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Please. If you ever reach feature "parity" that is sanely competitive with something like Firefox or Chrome and have regular everyday production ready releases. Please. Please. Do not turn into Mozilla where you waste funds. Make a paid version and I will gladly pay for it monthly if it means you will put all the profits (or most) into development efforts exclusively. I'm still sour at how much money Mozilla wastes (and Wikipedia for that matter), they had so many great initiatives and projects they have tossed.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Both companies did the bare minimum demanded by the respective license, its just that one license forces a bit more as bare minimum. Think. What does this mean? If you use a license that demands even more, you could have pressurized the companies to behave even nicer.

> you could have pressurized the companies to behave even nicer. No you couldn't. What would happen is your project would be a complete non-starter for many companies; either in use of, or developing for.

Which would raise the bar for them requiring them to spend efforts writing it in house or procuring similar elsewhere. The more polished and complex a package is that is hard to find alternatives for, the better the leverage.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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I second Bitwarden, ublock origin and privacy guard. Also: how will you handle bookmarks? IMHO only Chrome does a good job with bookmarks — please copy them instead of reinventing the wheel.

What does Chrome do better than FF with bookmarks?

The interface to move them around, create and move folders etc.

If I had to use bookmarks on FF, I would simply not use them at all.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Thanks for letting us know this extremely important and relevant information about the founder. We need to shut down this project and get him cancelled and permanently banned from the software industry.

I personally like to know whether the software I use/endorse is developed with broad inclusion in mind. It is a pretty solid indicator of thoughtfully-designed software.

A developer assuming, for example (not related to this instance), ~all the users are able-bodied men with perfect vision and motor skills, leads to an inferior product that is guaranteed to alienate people who don't match the "target audience", and those people already experience a life full of being ignored or not getting the same degree of accommodations the majority do.

Using gendered language is just a small facet of the full spectrum of ways that people are excluded (even if it's just to a small degree), and it's nearly effortless to think "yeah, it would be good to use wording that makes sense for any reader of this text", and is simply a kind thing to do. When a developer actively fights against this, I can only imagine their motive is exclusionary and prejudiced, or perhaps just ignorant.

It's disappointing my post was downvoted to oblivion but I'm not surprised. If someone doesn't care about using inclusive language, that's not really a reason to suppress someone raising a concern about it. What is especially surprising/disappointing is that it's flagged, despite being a totally valid "PSA" about the exclusionary stance of the software's founder (at the time of the linked PR -- which I already disclaimed in the OP). The post violates no rules/guidelines and adds value to the conversation.

Regardless of all this, to any dev reading and thinking "why do I care", I would ask, why are you developing software? Fundamentally, it's to provide some value and use to people, right? That value/purpose shouldn't come with the caveat of making someone feel excluded or overlooked. Or, if you only care about providing that value to a certain set of people, at least make that very clear up-front so the rest of us can know to skip over and look for something else.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Please see https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 If you want to use and/or contribute to such a project that's fine! And if not, that's fine too. But people should know.

Seems like a good way to filter out troublemakers. Generic “he” is correct 20th century English. Singular “they” is correct 21st century English. Some people use “she”. I thought the current zeitgeist was to not judge people based on which pronouns they use :)

A user account called "anon" is "he"? It has no gender, it is a Linux user account. The correct word should actually be "it", which is exactly what the word got recently updated to: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/24648

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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post #502

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Thanks for letting us know this extremely important and relevant information about the founder. We need to shut down this project and get him cancelled and permanently banned from the software industry.

I personally like to know whether the software I use/endorse is developed with broad inclusion in mind. It is a pretty solid indicator of thoughtfully-designed software. A developer assuming, for example (not related to this instance), ~all the users are able-bodied men with perfect vision and motor skills, leads to an inferior product that is guaranteed to alienate people who don't match the "target audience", and t…

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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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For comparison, in 2022 Mozilla had $1.3B in assets and over $500M in revenue: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... I want ladybird to succeed and show the world how ridiculous the Mozilla situation has been.

What is wrong with Mozilla?

They spent a lot of money on their CEO and board, and funded it by getting rid of good programmers and defunding long term projects like Servo.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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I don't know - it's your brain.. .. and repeat. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40867280 )

Maybe try repeating the whole thread? I have no idea why I am being bombarded about all this language crap lmao. Keep yalls evangelism to urself.

I gonna take my time to think about it.
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