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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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And whistleblowing is for a different case, it is when you work for an organization and see illegal or dangerous things, and choose loyalty to the law / public interest instead of the organization whom you work for. Here it is different, it is an activist sponsored/supported by an enemy state actively seeking to create chaos in a foreign government.

Agreed, but I wonder if the west is stronger for it. If he had spread only lies and propaganda that the people ate up, maybe we’d only be stronger from the experience, but revealing actual problems in our system allows us to fix what otherwise lacked incentive to fix. Maybe.

True.

I wonder what is the end result.

It could be that these leaks actually improved the practices and government entities act nicer, due to the fear of getting caught.

Or, just worse:

It could have actually improved the information-protection practices, and serious crimes that would have "naturally" leaked to the press, are now even better guarded than before Wikileaks.

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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This isn't something good though, in fact it's really bad. He's actually agreed to confess to something which the US should have no legal authority over. We must remember that the US are torturers who tortured people here in Sweden, right at Bromma airport, even after specifically agreeing not to torture them. It is not a country which should have any influence whatsoever outside its borders; and this is someone who…

> It is not a country which should have any influence whatsoever outside its borders I wholly agree, as an American citizen

A lot of people say something like this but are also fine with sending weapons and money to Ukraine, pushing for the legalization of gay marriage abroad, etc. Usually what these people really mean is "I'm against US influence outside our borders unless it's something that I agree with."

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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I am going to hold the celebrations until we are sure there isn't anything else on the horizon. He isn't getting a pardon and being declared free and clear of charges in the US is very difficult. Who knows what state prosecutor might want to bring new state charges. He may also be wanted as a material witness. If I were him I wouldn't set foot outside Australia ever again.

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> It is not a country which should have any influence whatsoever outside its borders I wholly agree, as an American citizen

Be careful what you ask for. The United Kingdom went from a country with enormously outsized global influence to just another European nation. The downward spiral has been stark. The economy stagnates, more and more people live in poverty, and voters decided to inflict further self-harm by cutting themselves off from economic treaties with neighbors based on an illusion of self-importance. If America ends up in the s…

Utter nonsense. The UK has lost its outsized influence but the economic problems are at worst the same as in America. Property is less expensive even, and nobody’s at risk of being bankrupted by a medical emergency. The armies of homeless in American cities don’t exist across the Atlantic.

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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I am going to hold the celebrations until we are sure there isn't anything else on the horizon. He isn't getting a pardon and being declared free and clear of charges in the US is very difficult. Who knows what state prosecutor might want to bring new state charges. He may also be wanted as a material witness. If I were him I wouldn't set foot outside Australia ever again.

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Trump strikes me as far more likely to grant him a pardon than Biden. Biden is neoliberal, which are just as hawkish as neocons (they’re functionally identical). Trump is more of a populist, anti-war, “anti-deep-state” (i.e. intelligence agencies) sort, who has at least entertained the idea of a pardon.

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This isn't something good though, in fact it's really bad. He's actually agreed to confess to something which the US should have no legal authority over. We must remember that the US are torturers who tortured people here in Sweden, right at Bromma airport, even after specifically agreeing not to torture them. It is not a country which should have any influence whatsoever outside its borders; and this is someone who…

> It is not a country which should have any influence whatsoever outside its borders

I'm not going to defend US autrocities, but why exactly is Sweeden and the EU allowing this stuff to happen on their soil?

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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I am going to hold the celebrations until we are sure there isn't anything else on the horizon. He isn't getting a pardon and being declared free and clear of charges in the US is very difficult. Who knows what state prosecutor might want to bring new state charges. He may also be wanted as a material witness. If I were him I wouldn't set foot outside Australia ever again.

Trouble is, as part of the deal he is headed to an US territory next to Australia, right?

Seems like the perfect place to kidnap him

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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What’s the actual view on him in oz? We’ve got exiled Aussie politicians here in the U.K. saying that he’s universally reviled, and that nobody even sees him as a “real” Australian, and that Australians will never forgive him for violating their privacy (oh, the bleeding irony). No alternate viewpoints, looks like 100% of sampled Australians hate him?

>> We’ve got exiled Aussie politicians here in the U.K. Does Australia actually exile people? I thought that was done away with long ago. If they are wanted for crimes in Australia then they would be extradited from the UK. Even informal exile only normally happens between countries that do not have extradition treaties. I suspect these politicians are simply expatriates living in the UK for professional or tax reaso…

This is meant jokingly.

Sometimes when a public figure fucks up their career in their home country, they'll move to another country where people don't know about the fuck-up.

This isn't a literal exile, it's figurative.

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