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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

Ever since Apple added password management to Safari it’s been clear that 1Password was going to get Sherlocked, the switch to enterprise mashes perfect sense from a corporate perspective. Chrome and Firefox offer the same features, so now every browser is competing too. I’m finding most of the friction with 1Password I run into is actually Apple competing for autofill in Safari creating two completely different UIs…

> I’m finding most of the friction with 1Password I run into is actually Apple competing for autofill in Safari creating two completely different UIs above every form element.

You know that you can disable Safari's autofill, right? I recommend it if you're using another password manager.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #561

I've been using Bitwarden for a few years. It seems to do everything I need, and is cross-platform. I have a soft spot in my heart for `pass` ( http://www.passwordstore.org/ ), but it's a pain to access it from my phone.

I guess it's not every Firefox user, but Bitwarden hasn't been working for many FF users for the last month: - https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/8873 - https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/9253

I am on FF with Bitwarden and haven't noticed any issues at all.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…

I use BitWarden and I prefer having the open source and self hosted options for using BitWarden. 1Password does not have those. Despite that, I've been strongly advocating for it at work because it easily has the most polished and refined UI/UX of all the managers I've tried.

Bitwarden is fantastic. And can even pair up with your own open source 'enterprise vault'. Meaning that if you have a decent VPN setup in your home router, you can host the vault in your rpi (for example). It's great

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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My last password manager got sold to some guy in Morocco and my passwords put behind a pay wall, and then lost. Bring on the vendor lock in, I’m so done with all that other shit.

What company was this?

Raivo OTP (written by security researcher Tijme Gommers, who really should know better, or just didn't care) got sold to Mobime (some guy in Morocco as far as I can tell).

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #485

I don't think Apple has built this maliciously for this purpose, but for normal users this will be a strong motivator vendor lock-in.

That's an interesting take because I can see how this reduces lock-in: 1. It's now easier to access passwords on the mac because you no longer are forced to use Safari to view passwords, nor have to sort through the technical entries/certificates in Keychain Access. 2. The app surfaces a prominently positioned button for one-click sharing and exporting of passkeys/passwords, whereas existing methods significantly lac…

Those are all good counterpoints I hadn't considered, I think you've changed my mind.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #464

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> Tons of new features and the redesign After LastPass lost it I shopped around and avoided 1Password precisely because it looks and is marketed like typical feature-oriented apps powered by VC valuations and growth metrics. I do not like trigger happy product management near critical single-purpose software. It’s already quite challenging, because pw managers need (1) offline support (2) a sync protocol that’s virtu…

I don't understand this sentiment. I'm not attacking, I'm trying to understand. So if there's opportunity for a feature that adds real value for many people to an application without it affecting the core of the product, it shouldn't be added? I can add passwords and unlock websites just as quickly with 1Password as I could 8 years ago. Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference?

It’s based on experience that more features tend to break functionality, change user workflows and changes in product strategy, sometimes even companies get acquired or shut down things.

Of course, these things can happen to any product in theory, but with experience I’ve developed a bit of a radar for what kind of company is behind a product based on their design, website, marketing etc.

> Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference?

Like what? I’ve had the same experience with 2 pw managers for probably a decade, and the only noticeable change has been passkeys. Note that for me it’s personal use only though.

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What if I wanna have a shared card?

Shared with someone else? Isn't that like against every rule of every bank ever everywhere?

Company cards and expenses exist. Also can’t believe you never once shared a card with someone in your family?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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What’s the problem with it exactly? I’m using it on iPad, macOS, iOS and windows 10 and 11. Seems per much the same as it’s always been. I’ve got the family using it too. Just curious what issues other people are experiencing.

It's very much a "death by a thousand cuts" situation - I'm not a fan of the removal of 1Password mini which was my primary interaction with 1Password, especially for the common workflow of password generation/account lookup. It seems their focus is to drive this into the browser extension but that doesn't cover all of my use cases - I very often need to generate a login password _outside_ the context of a browser an…

What about the universal shortcut for triggering 1P across the mac? And autofill within applications? I think the newest redesign is extremely powerful. I wanted to hate it at first but I give big kudos to the 1P team for how thoughtfully engineered the Mac version is. iOS and Windows not as much.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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…but v8 is perfectly fine! I remember a lot of buzz about v8 being slow “because it’s electron” but it’s not slow. I use it on multiple laptops without any issues at all.

I'm glad it's working for you. I use v8 every day on my work machine. My complaints aren't about the speed of the application, but rather the reduced features and removal of any menubar app functionality that was present in v7. I'm not a fan of the UI changes, personally; I don't know why everything needs to have _so much_ space, but I could ignore that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Electron, and I'd prefer i…

Why does every app need a menu bar? Why not just Cmd+Shift+Space to get the universal menu to open?
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