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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by simondotau »

wraptile wrote: post #720
simondotau wrote: post #709

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I've never had my phone or tech device stolen in general. This anti theft stuff is a red herring or a distraction from real societal issues. Something along the lines of "sell us your rights and the device that doesn't really belong to you will not be stolen from us, I mean you."

I'm glad to hear you've never had anything stolen and aren't planning to have anything stolen in the future. That's a great plan and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it myself. Oh and here's a great money saving tip: if you've never been in a car accident, don't waste your money on car insurance.

Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from Apple. I do buy Apple products fully aware of the relationship I'm entering into and I'm very happy with it. I consider activation lock to be a positive feature which increases the value of an iPhone for me. An article from 2015: https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-lea...

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by esskay »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #717

Has anyone actually tried the Metaverse yet? As I understood it, this was basically a massively expensive failed experiment so far. No-one is using it for reals (yet?). Who's the market for developing apps for it?

Tried it, was very unimpressed, it feels very much like a tech demo even as recent as this year. Certainly wouldn't waste my money on it.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by dustypotato »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #707
hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #627

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Apple and to a lesser extent Google have high trust. Nobody trusts Meta at all. So who would adopt their OS?

And that is weird. Apple gives Chinese government direct access to user data. Apple obeys every demand from China and Russia. Meanwhile Meta communications director Andy Stone just got 6 years in russian prison for allowing people to say mean things about russia.

"Got" as in got convicted in absentia. He's not in prison!

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by gr__or »

gorbypark wrote: post #470
mebazaa wrote: post #22

Meta has a lot of work to do on DevEx for non-gaming experiences. Say what you want with the Vision Pro, but it comes with a lot of niceities like SwiftUI. When you develop with the Quest, you're stuck with Unity or Unreal Engine -- it's almost too much freedom to develop simple productivity apps.

At one point in time the React/React Native teams put out a blog post devoid of any actual details about “multi platform” support and mentioned VR in it. I’m surprised I haven’t hear anything else about it since.

Yeah it's kind of mind-boggling to me that the creators of React (which SwiftUI is ofc heavily inspired by) and the most successful cross-platform quasi-native library (React Native), have not managed to bring those powers to their biggest investment.

I truly don't get it.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by mjburgess »

tstrimple wrote: post #558
_akhe wrote: post #433

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It's all going to end up in JavaScript anyway. I say this as a joke, yet: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react-unity-webgl Simply rendering your Unity Application within your React Application is just the beginning! The Unity Context exposes a lot more fun functions and properties to play around with such as two way communication or requesting fullscreen or a pointerlock. The possibilities are endless, what's next is…

I don't hate it. JS has its worts, but so does every language. I don't think there is a single language even close to JS for lowering the bar of entry to software development. All of the bad things about it that "real computer science" folks complain about are the exact same features which give it a far more broad reach than Rust or Golang. Software development experiences the exact same problem that the internet at…

Or it just happened to monopolise the browser at a time when the web was being invented, and has nothing to do with the features of the language.

As a language for new developers is terrible: 100 different ways to do anything, most of them a muddle of paradigms that's inexplicable to anyone without 2 decades of experience, and so on.

Imagine a new developer using ChatGPT to generate: python, C, go, etc. vs. generating javascript. Most of the generated js is incomphrensible to newbies, but for the others generally obvious.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

rainsil wrote: post #584
ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

What unexplored space do you think is ripe for a totally new operating system?

Dreaming of a world where normal PCs could have an OS on the quality level of MacOS with the software ecosystem but Linux is just too fragmented that you can't build anything coherent or reliable on an interface level in the way MacOS is.

This isn't saying Linux is bad, its great at what it does and being modular but how can something like MacOS spell check where it works on any text field coherently across any app work in a modular world like that.

Windows just feels like bad decisions made decades ago hold it back, it can't even open a folder of 20 thumbnails without choking, MacOS can handle 10,000 like a knife through butter. Can't even find a file opened yesterday when you search for it in the start menu by exact name, MacOS manages in a fraction of a second. Maybe the right team could rewrite all the things causing this jank but you'd essentially have to replace so much of the company that caused it anyway that it doesn't seem feasible.

Still use all 3 for different tasks but MacOS is the only one that feels like an operating system should feel in 2024.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by unleaded »

zooq_ai wrote: post #259
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #225

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> - lighter/more comfortable It's this and one other point: Games that people aren't bored of in an hour. To me, very few games have come out for VR that don't feel like gimmicky experiences. Even Half Life Alyx, as advanced as it was, kinda felt like a theme park ride after a while. I'm not sure if there's technical reasons for it, but it feels like nobody is taking VR development seriously. It's hard to justify str…

Skills based games -- baseball, cricket, golf, tennis almost have infinite game play

what do you miss by playing them on the wii or IRL?

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by rob74 »

theptip wrote: post #358
distortedsignal wrote: post #342

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The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

Don’t agree with this take. I’m sure Meta would be fine with other vendors taking over the low-end, if that meant there was a vibrant platform they controlled (ie the OS). They will lead with flagship models to push the boundaries of what the OS/tech can do. Why would they want to sell at/below cost forever? The reason they do this now is to make the platform viable. The only reason they are focusing on cheaper devic…

So Meta is aiming to be for VR what Microsoft is for PCs and Google is for smartphones (Apple being Apple for PCs, smartphones and VR)?

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by wraptile »

simondotau wrote: post #721
wraptile wrote: post #720

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had my phone or tech device stolen in general. This anti theft stuff is a red herring or a distraction from real societal issues. Something along the lines of "sell us your rights and the device that doesn't really belong to you will not be stolen from us, I mean you."

I'm glad to hear you've never had anything stolen and aren't planning to have anything stolen in the future. That's a great plan and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it myself. Oh and here's a great money saving tip: if you've never been in a car accident, don't waste your money on car insurance. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from Apple. I do buy Apple products fully aware of the relationship I'm enteri…

Your insurance analogy is proving the exact opposite. More apt analogy would be turning your cars wheels square because it might be stolen. I'd rather have the wheels roll though.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by Eisenstein »

rob74 wrote: post #728
theptip wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t agree with this take. I’m sure Meta would be fine with other vendors taking over the low-end, if that meant there was a vibrant platform they controlled (ie the OS). They will lead with flagship models to push the boundaries of what the OS/tech can do. Why would they want to sell at/below cost forever? The reason they do this now is to make the platform viable. The only reason they are focusing on cheaper devic…

So Meta is aiming to be for VR what Microsoft is for PCs and Google is for smartphones (Apple being Apple for PCs, smartphones and VR)?

They want their own platform so they can do whatever they want on their apps. They are playing the long game. Read zuck's VR vision letter. He lays it all out:

* https://www.scribd.com/document/399594551/2015-06-22-MARK-S-...

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