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Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by tsol »

dehrmann wrote: post #190
UrineSqueegee wrote: post #12

Eh this is really tricky, for exampe if I open instagram, Threads or tiktok 9/10 posts will be pro-palestinian with 1 being pro-israeli. Then some of the propalestinian post will be calling for genocide or celebrating the massacre of oct 7. IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. When something is propaganda or false just quickly tag it as such with why it is false like Xitter does.

> IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. Full disclosure: I work for Meta, but not on ranking, and my opinions are my own. Edit: this isn't specific to Meta; it's common to all content platforms. This is really hard. There's universally objectionable material like CSAM. That's (politically) easy to exclude. There are leaked state secrets the public should know. There's hate speech (laws vary by…

This isn't a universal problem though: only Instagram and Facebook have these accusations

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

uoaei wrote: post #657
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You or I could run this test right now on Facebook. I suggest you just post a comment somewhere you in Facebook that you want some person or some group of people to die, it doesn’t really matter who, and measure the amount of time it takes for someone to flag it and have it deleted. This is just low hanging fruit, and completely unrelated to the immediate issue at hand. My guess is that the original poster is leaving…

You're literally just living in a fantasy world. "Trust me bro" has no power compared to actual studies.

I meant, you could actually execute the experiment yourself and see what happens. You don’t have to trust me, rather just do it and find out how quickly your comment is nuked. You won’t get into any trouble other than your comment being deleted…probably. The truth is easy to discern by just running the experiment if you want, but I’m guessing you have some cognitive bias that you’d rather have confirmed instead?

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by aspenmayer »

pvg wrote: post #720
aspenmayer wrote: post #714

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> I'd like to know which HN post you're talking about, so I can say exactly what happened. > I wonder if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38036236 ? You'd need to turn showdead on in your profile to see that one. So, what happened? Edit: I can't even click the link on the post you mentioned. Is that normal? That seems especially suspect and somewhat closer to censoring opposing views than I've come to ex…

So, what happened? Very likely flagged dead by users, as most things that show up as [flagged][dead] Is that normal? It is for dead submissions. Has been the case for ages.

> It is for dead submissions. Has been the case for ages.

For those with showdead enabled, why are links on dead submissions broken? Isn’t that the whole point of showdead, to actually show the post?

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by wqejfoi »

srj wrote: post #394
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #250

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Genuinely asking… what has worked in getting hostages beyond the temporary peace deal? I saw Israel had already accidentally shot their own hostages who managed to escape Hamas. In a war like that, how can Israel even free the hostages by this dropping bombs method, if the hostages get out they will be shot by their own military?

Just making the deal compelling enough is what seemed to work. Israel is giving 3 militants back to Hamas for every 1 civilian hostage.

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by slibhb »

bjourne wrote: post #705
tety wrote: post #544

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isn’t the original context of the confederate flag liberation from federalism? don’t think just the fact someone believes they are liberating something makes it right, as in their eyes the russians in the current war are liberating ukraine

From what I've read about the American civil war is that all historians agree that the rebellion was about the right to hold slaves. The argument about federalisim is a narrative constructed afterwards to evoke sympathy for the rebels. If not those who use the phase - and have been using it in exactly the same way for decades - can decide what it means, then who can? Should we apply the same argument to "pro choice"…

> From what I've read about the American civil war is that all historians agree that the rebellion was about the right to hold slaves. The argument about federalisim is a narrative constructed afterwards to evoke sympathy for the rebels.

People often say this but I see no contradiction between the American Civil War being about slavery and it being about states' rights. It was about the states' rights to own slaves!

That aside, the idea that "all historians agree" is absurd.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by [deleted] »

srj wrote: post #394
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely asking… what has worked in getting hostages beyond the temporary peace deal? I saw Israel had already accidentally shot their own hostages who managed to escape Hamas. In a war like that, how can Israel even free the hostages by this dropping bombs method, if the hostages get out they will be shot by their own military?

Just making the deal compelling enough is what seemed to work. Israel is giving 3 militants back to Hamas for every 1 civilian hostage.

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by fjiowe »

srj wrote: post #394
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely asking… what has worked in getting hostages beyond the temporary peace deal? I saw Israel had already accidentally shot their own hostages who managed to escape Hamas. In a war like that, how can Israel even free the hostages by this dropping bombs method, if the hostages get out they will be shot by their own military?

Just making the deal compelling enough is what seemed to work. Israel is giving 3 militants back to Hamas for every 1 civilian hostage.

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by happytiger »

No matter what your views, we should all be very concerned that a technology company that specializes in social connections is controlling what people can say to one another.

This combined with the close government coordination that was recently exposed is deeply concerning.

‘Disinformation’ seems to be more and more just ‘opinions we don’t like or support’ and this episode should serve as a warning to use all to limit their power before it’s too late.

And I don’t care if you like Triden or Brump: this shouldn’t be a partisan issue.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by pvg »

aspenmayer wrote: post #723
pvg wrote: post #720

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what happened? Very likely flagged dead by users, as most things that show up as [flagged][dead] Is that normal? It is for dead submissions. Has been the case for ages.

> It is for dead submissions. Has been the case for ages. For those with showdead enabled, why are links on dead submissions broken? Isn’t that the whole point of showdead, to actually show the post?

I don't know but if I had to guess it's because some of these links could be abusive/harmful or spam. I don't think it makes much difference practically in the cases that they aren't since then it's not hard to recover the link with the info left, if you wanted to.

It doesn't address the specific thing but you can see the broader logic here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by oooyay »

dehrmann wrote: post #190
UrineSqueegee wrote: post #12

Eh this is really tricky, for exampe if I open instagram, Threads or tiktok 9/10 posts will be pro-palestinian with 1 being pro-israeli. Then some of the propalestinian post will be calling for genocide or celebrating the massacre of oct 7. IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. When something is propaganda or false just quickly tag it as such with why it is false like Xitter does.

> IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. Full disclosure: I work for Meta, but not on ranking, and my opinions are my own. Edit: this isn't specific to Meta; it's common to all content platforms. This is really hard. There's universally objectionable material like CSAM. That's (politically) easy to exclude. There are leaked state secrets the public should know. There's hate speech (laws vary by…

> "People say "just show the posts in chronological order," but this doesn't scale for humans reading it, especially as you follow more people."

I'm not sure I agree with you. I'm in 40+ IRC channels and multiple networks. I have an IRC Bouncer with playback enabled and my window stops when I log off at the place where I left off. I can easily scroll back to the bottom an see what's current. Same thing goes for Discord and Slack.

I have never in my life thought, "wow I wish I could get a summary of all the dumb shit said in ##chat and ##politics in the same place when I come back." Maybe, just maybe, I don't need to know the highlights of everything that's happened since I last logged on?

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