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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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And still starting at 8GB of RAM… Disappointed.

You're saying people shouldn't be able to buy 8GB RAM Macs, which is crazy. I had to check how much memory my laptop has, and it's 8GB and I've never noticed. I guess you're just complaining about what you get for the lowest price.

For the price and a supposedly "Pro" model, having 8GB of non-replaceable RAM is ludicrous.

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Is it? Its pretty evil to overcharge and prey on a customer base who doesn't know any better, but would benefit from a more usable starting point, oh say 16... Tims a finance guy, they are kinda evil by default.

America is truly a blessed nation. Their richest evil people simply make the most powerful consumer appliances available for a reasonable price. Their good people must be truly saints.

Who? As far as I can tell every American is a psychopathic capitalist murder ready to drive their SUV over the next sand dune/forest/oil field/grandmas house you name it. Bought and sold in 1775 boy.

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I really, really wish they would fix this silly display scan-out limitation. I gave them a (frustrating) pass on the M1 given it was the first evolution from iPhone/iPad where it wouldn't have mattered. But seems silly to have made it all the way to the M3. Wanting to dock onto two displays even at the low end doesn't seem like such a niche use-case. I'm sure there is some kind of technical explanation but both Intel…

> I'm sure there is some kind of technical explanation I'm sure it's a marketing explanation: they make bigger margins on more expensive machines, and they need some feature differentiators to nudge people to move up. 2 extra displays is a poweruser/pro feature. They make their own silicon, it's not like they're shy about designing hardware, if they wanted to stuff features into the lower end books they easily could.

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Wonder if the unified memory (up to 128GB) makes it much better for machine learning / AI things? On a Windows laptop you get maximum a Nvidia 4090 and with 18GB of RAM for the GPU.

Do I miss something? I wished I had more insight on Apple architecture support from the AI frameworks out there.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…

I think what Apple is pushing for is computing efficiency. It still gets faster but with much less power. Focusing on performance solely would be the wrong way to evaluate these chips. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-m3-chip

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Yes, the tiled-based architecture of their "GPU" is undeniably less performant. Even comparing to lesser GPUs.

Nvidia is tile based since Maxwell

Yes, I should've been more specific. Mobile GPUs often employed in ARM architectures often use a technique called "Tile-Based Deferred Rendering" (TBDR). This involves not just splitting the frame into tiles but also delaying the actual shading operations. This two-step approach minimizes overdraw but can create bottlenecks in scenes with intricate geometry or advanced lighting, shadows, and reflections.

Nvidia's approach doesn't have this.

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Yes, the tiled-based architecture of their "GPU" is undeniably less performant. Even comparing to lesser GPUs.

Why exactly is tile-based a bad idea? Most rendering engines are tile-aware already.

See my response to the sibling post

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Is it? Its pretty evil to overcharge and prey on a customer base who doesn't know any better, but would benefit from a more usable starting point, oh say 16... Tims a finance guy, they are kinda evil by default.

It's a matter of perspective of course. I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. Aren't the vast majority corporations just trying to make more money? I would disagree with that.

Exactly :)

Im just some punk trying to have a good time with some spicy comments on HN. It's ok to both hate and exist within capitalism. It requires a certain level of pain (masochism) to survive that existence, or dare to enjoy it, while also raging against it.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…

I think what Apple is pushing for is computing efficiency. It still gets faster but with much less power. Focusing on performance solely would be the wrong way to evaluate these chips. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-m3-chip

I think it's a bit more nuanced than that.

There's a reason they didn't just stick an A series chip in their laptops and call it a day - they want more performance even if it comes at the cost of efficiency. It's probably better to say that Apple is pushing performance within a relatively restricted power envelope.

Just to illustrate my point - if m3 had exactly the same performance as m1, but with 1/2 the power draw, I don't think many people would have been happy even if it would have been an amazing increase in computing efficiency.

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> Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. A 95% opt-in rate is INSANELY high for any type of usage-stat opt-in, everything above 50% is usually outstanding. What is known about "similar defaults"?

It seems like the comment above is describing out-out and the it pesters you to opt-back in if you opt-out.

That's not how it works. You get asked the question again on every update, regardless of what you chose the last time.

So there are people who were opted-in that change their minds. My friends and family opt-in rate is <50%. And most of them are non-technical.

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