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One thing comes to mind: antitrust! It happened to Microsoft as well!!

...and Microsoft has more power than Google at the moment

But anti-trust stalled Microsoft's efforts at a critical time and allowed Firefox and Safari (like Gecko) to restore a standards-based web from an IE-based web. It's not a cure all but it worked. IE had 95% marketshare in 2002 and Firefox took a third of that from them in a few years thanks to anti-trust and the consent decree it forced on MS.

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As wonderful as it has been to have a platform that the entire world is on at once, I'm beginning to conclude that the only way to get back to the web as we knew it is to go back to the days when only a small, geeky subset of the population spent time on here. Back then it wasn't worth it to create massive amounts of garbage content in order to serve ads to unwary search engine users—there weren't enough of us to mak…

>I realize this sounds like a cop out, and that getting people to use such a thing in sufficient numbers would be extremely difficult.

In the last few days browsing Fediverse platforms I prefer the smaller communities for that old internet spirit anyway.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Less than 5% of global usage [1], and no presence whatsoever on mobile. Pretty much dead. [1]: https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage And CF stats doesn't depend on JavaScript.

I'm writing this on firefox for android. It has 100M+ downloads on the play store.

So does Opera...

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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How to Email to the President and Members of Congress

https://www.einvestigator.com/government-email-addresses/ [2022]

this abuse of tech, potentially goes beyond antitrust, and damages global economic wellbeing, as well as impoverishing information systems on global scale, generating isolation, ignorance, division, and radicalization.

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While I like this idea, starting from the foot of "CCP-propagandized" based on the tiktok service hosted by Oracle in the US is an amazing way to start off on a Nazi infested foot. Anti-communism and fascism are historically in lock-step. No one is going to use the services if you basically create web4 stormfront.

There was nothing in his comment that alluded to anti-communism sentiment. In my opinion, the parent comment was categorically anti-fascist. Current day CCP conforms to the definition of fascism far more than the definition of communism. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how they were being anti-communist or fascist in your eyes.

It's easy in theory to say "oh anti-ccp isn't anti-communist", but in practice, do people actually understand the difference?

Consider the phrase "tankie", what was once a term used by communists to describe a militaristic member who supported the USSR sending tanks into Hungary, has become a general phrase for anyone showing critical support to any socialist project.

Socialists are essentially told they are not allowed to support any previously or currently existing project because bad things were done, are told they're doing whataboutism if they compare the actions to western actions, and are called a tankie if they decide to stop caring about what liberals and right wing people say.

China IS a socialist project, are they strictly a socialist country? No. Did they perform the most thorough and equitable land reforms in the history of Humanity? Yes. Do they wield central power for central planning economic activities? Sometimes. Are they operating on a 100% worker ownership of industry? no, but they have a non-insignificant public ownership of industry, co-opting privately owned industry to steer activities with greater control and hold certain business leaders accountable.

I'm sorry to say, but "current day CCP conforms to the definition of fascism" just isn't correct and goes to prove the point that the meaning of words is mostly ignored. Fascism != Authoritarianism. There was a massive effort post WWII through the cold war to create anti-communist propaganda that simply wasn't true. You had actual ex members of the Nazi party leading anti-communist endeavors. The black book of communism counts Nazis as deaths from communism. The Victims of Communism memorial foundation is literally a mask on far-right thinktanks such as the heritage foundation.

That being said, the West is grossly lied to about China day to day. It is in various interests to have an enemy. To the point where one man can write a report identifying a "future cultural genocide" which was simply a reduction in growth of a population due to 1 and 2 child laws being imposed on a group that was exempt prior, as an actual, in-progress genocide. If you point this out, people call you a genocide denier.

That same man is a director of China Studies, at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.

I apologize for this long winded rant, but yes, if you found an internet presence on being "anti-ccp", you're starting off on a literal fascist foot. The community will deride any left leaning voice, call any voice that says "hey china did a good thing here", as a "tankie", and it will become an echo chamber for right-wing hate speech.

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I don't think most people know the difference between Chrome or Firefox and if they can still use websites they use with that change, they just won't bother. Even if you explain what is the difference, 99% they'll forget the next day. It's just pointless. With this kind of overreach, only government intervention and regulation can help. Google is not something you can go against with your proverbial wallet - they are…

Microsoft was the same, and still they were humbled into opening the space for others (with the browser-choosing screen at first boot). If people are noisy enough, lawmakers can be distracted from their payola.

That was in 2001. It wouldn't happen today - see Apple and their walled garden.

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I don't think it's double-think, it's just a lack of consequential thinking. I believe the writers of the spec when they say that they just want to be able to see which ad views are real or not. They even lay out some (far too weak) ideas to keep the system from being mandatory and abusable. But they don't realize just how quickly things will go out of hand once the rest of the organization realizes what they have cr…

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You seem to be under the impression that a forum with hundreds of thousands of users has one consistent opinion on everything. This is wildly incorrect.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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post #704

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The issue with that is that most people here will only have their own website or product, which is already aimed at more tech-savvy people, who will already have made a conscious decision to use Firefox, Chrome, or whichever browser they prefer. But we / this site only represents a small percentage. 85% market share means there are hundreds of millions, if not billions of users that would have to switch to make any k…

"We" already waged a grassroot browser-war campaign in the late '90s-early '00s, when Mozilla was born and eventually birthed Firefox. It was successful enough to seriously dent the Microsoft monopoly, creating the political conditions for antitrust authorities to deliver significant hits to their power. It can be done again. Just drop the fucking Chromium bullshit now.

While I don’t want to be defeatist the web was smaller then, we had a common enemy in Microsoft that actively made the web worse.

Google makes it better for ordinary people. Or at least gives them that impression due to sites targeting chrome.

Firefox was an easy sell because it was just better for the user and importantly the dev tools were a quantum leap ahead.

The web was largely still made up of enthusiasts, very few people doom scrolled all day via apps like they do now.

Any fight back that isn’t mobile first is doomed.

And mobile first takes resources and taking on Apple and Google at once.

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>Tell me how a minority of informed and caring users can avoid on their own that a single large scale bad actor pours millions over millions of dollars to convince the uninformed masses about whatever they want. Firefox. No, not Firefox of today; I'm talking about Firefox 20 years ago that defeated IE6 by sheer force of nerds alone. Of course, the landscape is vastly different now and Firefox today is about the most…

> Firefox 20 years ago that defeated IE6 by sheer force of nerds alone. Firefox was significantly better than IE though: it was faster, had more features, and things like that. This is what made Firefox popular, not "sheer force of nerds". Chrome, when released, also had some significant improvements to Firefox. In particular, it was loads faster. This changed with "Firefox Quantum" (59 IIRC), but "too little, too la…

Firefox was not faster than IE. We lost on pageload, cold and warm start, new window, pretty much everything.

Firefox was better because it had tabbed browsing, integrated search, pop-up blocking, and extensions, but I was responsible for monitoring our perf back then and I can say for certain that we were not faster.

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