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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by simiones »

p1esk wrote: post #714
simiones wrote: post #711

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> My phone is on my wrist currently (Apple watch), I left my iphone at home. To me your prediction would have been correct (for now). Your Apple Watch is still dependent on your iPhone. You're also unlikely to be browsing the web, watching YouTube, or browsing social media on your watch, and these have been the biggest factors for smartphone adoption by far - so I don't think such a prediction works. We can also see…

Again, you’re associating AR/VR with a specific implementation (headsets, glasses, etc), based on your experiences with existing technology. That’s a very short sighted way to think about the future. AR/VR is the future of human computer interface, as a paradigm, as a “reality 2.0”. Smartphones became widespread 15 years ago, and will be obsolete 15 years from now. We will still see an old lady in 2040 pulling out iP…

If to you brain-computer interfaces also include AR/VR, then in that sense only I can agree that they are probably the future.

However, you are wildly overestimating how near brain-computer interfaces are if you think they will obsolete smartphones in 15 years.

My prediction then is this: screens on fixed devices (desktop, laptop, phone, tablet, probably other form factors) will remain the most common way of accessing the majority of our computer use for the next, say, 50 years. They will not be displaced by glasses-mounted displays, though "smart glasses" will become a more and more common secondary device in the coming decades, just like smartwatches. The only thing that will displace regular screens will be safe, high-bandwidth, high-fidelity brain-computer interfaces - which is where the 50 years timeline is coming from.

And I believe even 50 years is optimistic given the difficulty of making such a technology mass-market.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

evandale wrote: post #670
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #376

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> I doubt you'll find a source, this entire paragraph is you projecting your own insecurities onto everyone else. Sometimes I wonder if I live in the same world than some of the commenters here. Here is The Verge review of the Moto360: [ https://www.theverge.com/2014/9/5/6108947/moto-360-review ]. A few selected quotes by me: “It’s designed to prove that smartwatches don’t have to be ugly.”, “It’s not a gadget, it’s…

> Sometimes I wonder if I live in the same world than some of the commenters here. I'm wondering the same thing. You are arguing with people because you think Apple invented wearing watches as a fashion statement with their release of the Apple watch in 2015.

> you think Apple invented wearing watches as a fashion statement with their release of the Apple watch in 2015.

No, I said that Apple successfuly turned smartwatches from something seen as gadget into something seen as a proper acceptable watch, which they most definitely did as I have proved to you with my previous message (which you are conveniently ignoring by the way).

The watch industry is very fashion conscious. Swatch Group managed to turn mechanical watches - a clearly inferior product which not only can't keep time properly but has to be serviced every couple of years - into something of seen as timeless and the embodiment of success so clearly Apple was walking a well paved road.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by p1esk »

simiones wrote: post #721
p1esk wrote: post #714

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Again, you’re associating AR/VR with a specific implementation (headsets, glasses, etc), based on your experiences with existing technology. That’s a very short sighted way to think about the future. AR/VR is the future of human computer interface, as a paradigm, as a “reality 2.0”. Smartphones became widespread 15 years ago, and will be obsolete 15 years from now. We will still see an old lady in 2040 pulling out iP…

If to you brain-computer interfaces also include AR/VR, then in that sense only I can agree that they are probably the future. However, you are wildly overestimating how near brain-computer interfaces are if you think they will obsolete smartphones in 15 years. My prediction then is this: screens on fixed devices (desktop, laptop, phone, tablet, probably other form factors) will remain the most common way of accessin…

It’s interesting that you keep confusing a concept (AR/VR) and a technology (screens, bci, etc).

For the record, what I predict is:

1. In 15 years smartphones will be obsolete. The most likely technology that will replace them is retinal projection via glasses. Laptops and monitors will probably last a bit longer.

2. In 30 years, BCI will replace all other human computer interfaces, unless by that time humans will already have merged with computers on a more fundamental level.

As with any examples of progress in human history things will appear to change slowly until they suddenly change very fast.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by crooked-v »

jameson71 wrote: post #717
rvnx wrote: post #642

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They are designing it as a show-room where you can buy items, not a self-service shop. More like a car dealership.

Because everyone loves buying at car dealerships?

People would probably like car dealerships a lot more if it was 'here's a bunch of cars you can look at, climb in and out of, and try out as much as you like as long as they don't leave the lot, and each has a specific listed price, take it or leave it'.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by imchillyb »

throw47474777j wrote: post #96
imchillyb wrote: post #39

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I was a first-adopter. There were 'fitting' appointments required to purchase the first version. I purchased my Apple Watch through one of these 'fitting' appointments.

This is false. I ordered mine online the moment they first became available. No appointment needed.

I believe that your memory is not as perfect as you believe.

> Beginning at 3:01 a.m. ET today, customers have the option of pre-ordering the Apple Watch of their choice or making an appointment for an in-store fitting.

> While Apple is directing people to the website to schedule a 15-minute fitting experience, they'll also accommodate walk-ins if time permits. Customers can also play with an Apple Watch display unit that lets them demo the interface. However they won't be able to try one on without meeting with an Apple employee.

> What It's Like to Get an Apple Watch Fitting Appointment on the 1st Day ABC News tech editor Alyssa Newcomb gets in-store appointment.

> ByALYSSA NEWCOMB > April 10, 2015, 2:42 PM

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by imchillyb »

neilalexander wrote: post #73
imchillyb wrote: post #39

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I was a first-adopter. There were 'fitting' appointments required to purchase the first version. I purchased my Apple Watch through one of these 'fitting' appointments.

I had the original Apple Watch on pre-order from the online store and did not need to visit a physical location for fitting first.

I believe that your memory is not as perfect as you believe.

> Beginning at 3:01 a.m. ET today, customers have the option of pre-ordering the Apple Watch of their choice or making an appointment for an in-store fitting.

> While Apple is directing people to the website to schedule a 15-minute fitting experience, they'll also accommodate walk-ins if time permits. Customers can also play with an Apple Watch display unit that lets them demo the interface. However they won't be able to try one on without meeting with an Apple employee.

> What It's Like to Get an Apple Watch Fitting Appointment on the 1st Day ABC News tech editor Alyssa Newcomb gets in-store appointment.

> ByALYSSA NEWCOMB > April 10, 2015, 2:42 PM

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by neilalexander »

imchillyb wrote: post #726
neilalexander wrote: post #73

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I had the original Apple Watch on pre-order from the online store and did not need to visit a physical location for fitting first.

I believe that your memory is not as perfect as you believe. > Beginning at 3:01 a.m. ET today, customers have the option of pre-ordering the Apple Watch of their choice or making an appointment for an in-store fitting. > While Apple is directing people to the website to schedule a 15-minute fitting experience, they'll also accommodate walk-ins if time permits. Customers can also play with an Apple Watch display unit…

Allow me to repeat myself: I had the original Apple Watch on pre-order from the online store and did not need to visit a physical location for fitting first.

I am not misremembering. I even still have the order invoice and delivery notification from the courier in my email archive.

See operative "or" in the quoted "customers have the option of pre-ordering the Apple Watch of their choice or making an appointment for an in-store fitting".

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by replygirl »

bluepod4 wrote: post #713
lucubratory wrote: post #579

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I think you upset a lot of people on HN who maybe don't like the idea that some small part of how homeless people are excluded from society could be applied to them.

True. Also, I guess people forgot about all of the “Whites Only”, “No Negros Allowed”, and “No Irish Need Apply” signs at storefronts too.

by "pretty wild" i meant outrageous, not false.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by 1123581321 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #561
gizajob wrote: post #399

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Yeah absolutely. Every time I’ve been in my local Apple Store, I’ve basically been talked out of purchasing, or it becomes a huge hassle of upselling and extra worrying charges, and quite frankly, stupidity and lack of knowledge from the pseudo-smart staff. All they can do is toe the party line and what they’ve been trained to say and do, which kind of falls apart when faced with someone who has used Apple computers…

What a miserable experience! Meanwhile I had the opposite experience in a Google Store recently. I picked a phone case off the shelf in 10s, told the nearest employee I wanted to buy it, and he immediately whipped out a credit card scanner and I bought it right there in 30s. Didn't even need to go to the checkout counter or anything. It probably helps that that store is less crowded than the Apple store, but their tr…

Apple and Google stores work the exact same way for accessories.
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