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Why I Left Rust

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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Rust is a programming language.. emotionally charged articles like this one and the behaviour of the Rust leadership lately are both ridiculous.

Programmers want good stable languages that are a joy to work with. Everthing else but this can take a hike.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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You're basically correct. The frustration many of us have, largely people slightly older than the core HN crowd, is that for a brief moment in the 90s and early 2000s we didn't have any of this dogma that could demand you nod along. You could be openly gay, openly Christian, conservative, leftist, or apolitical. There were groups that still tried, but they were all too weak. The cultural conservativism of the 80s had…

> for a brief moment in the 90s and early 2000s we didn't have any of this dogma that could demand you nod along. You could be openly gay, openly Christian, conservative, leftist, or apolitical. An awful lot of people didn't have the luxury of being openly gay in the 90s and 2000s. Depending on how old you are, this is naive at best or disingenuous at worst.

An awful lot of people still don't have the luxury of being openly gay in the 2020s, because they happen to live in militant theocratic states. People on the activist left often seem to conveniently forget this, in a way that can only be fairly described as "naive at best or disingenuous at worst".

Re: Why I Left Rust

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> But what if year in year out it doesn't happen? Then the intersection between "Black people" and "people willing to speak on a Rust conference" is extremely small and nothing can be done about it. Well, nothing that's not already being done I mean: like encourage everyone to be in these circles because nobody is going to show you the door for doing so, and nobody is going to discriminate you. What else should one p…

I disagree that “nothing can be done”. There’s lots that could be done that don’t fall in to your description of affirmative action. Invitations could be extended to people to submit proposals for a talk. This already happens, but maybe the circle gets expanded once it’s evident that the circle has been too small. The simple act of asking is often enough to make people feel welcome. I also call BS on the claim that y…

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Re: Why I Left Rust

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>Fully 25% of Gen Z identify as LGBTQ. What does typing on a computer keyboard have to do with where you put your genitals? No one cares and most importantly, no one should care. Keep your sexual and romantic life to yourself in a programming community. >There are going to be struggles and clashes as members of different classes assert their grievances and call each other out. Thats a bad thing that must be nipped in…

>Keep your sexual and romantic life to yourself in a programming community. It's normal for people to mention their romantic partners in casual conversation. Straight people do this all the time . So it's really really hard to interpret this request as anything other than a request for LGBTQ people specifically to hide the fact that they're LGBTQ from their coworkers. Examples of straight people doing this: > I have…

And normal (aka non-insufferable) people would just frame these pretty much in the same exact way?

- Gay people can have children as well - Gay people will also take paternity/maternal leave? Refer to the above point for this one - This one is the one where people usually just substitute the word "wife/husband" with "partner"

Again, none of this has anything to do with software engineering or programming languages in the slightest, so why bring it up?

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Are there any communities that are really based on merit?

Pretty much every human community has to be to some extent, with the exception of communities that face no external competition. Non-meritorious communities subject to competition quickly disappear.

What? Non-meritorious communities are known to last literal millennia.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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> Nothing against that sort of mindset in theory, but it sometimes leads to a certain irrational hypersensitive intolerant mob behavior and authoritarian/anti democratic tendencies. Really? Nothing against a thing that leads to hypersensitive intolerant mob behavior and authoritarian/anti democratic tendencies!?

Yes. Nothing against it in theory , but it leads to stuff they don't like. Did you read the whole comment?

I did. I don’t get why they wouldn’t be against the theory of something so obviously flawed that leads to exactly what they are describing.

It’s like saying you have nothing against eugenics in theory, but the leap to how that can go wrong in practice is painfully obvious.

Or “I have nothing against giving everyone a million dollars in theory”. Obviously that is a dumb idea, so why even say you have nothing against it “in theory”.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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I've been to plenty of conferences over the years, and I never really knew who was a "keynote speaker" or "only" a "speaker". Does anyone pay attention to this? You give a talk. People show up. They clap at the end. Does it really matter what some title on some conference website is? The communication was perhaps a bit more confusing and hectic than it should have been, but does that really matter? Is that really a b…

I feel like this post misses the point. Do most people care if someone was a keynote speaker? No(Outside of academia). Is it a big deal if your talk was selected as a speaker or keynote speaker? No. But should you care if your talk is demoted from Keynote to non-keynote without following due process(and possibly because of personal biases)? Yes. I don't know anything about any of the parties involved, but I feel like…

Its a CV brag. It means you're a big shot if you're giving the keynote at a top conference. Most people never do that so it's a big deal.

It grants high credibility in the outside world which gets you invited to additional opportunities.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Considering Elon an "effective leader" is certainly a take.

The media hates him, and I can understand how that can be hard to separate out from one's view of reality; but, I think whether Elon has success despite actually being terrible as some might think, or is actually really good at what he does, he's been very successful on the whole if you can be the slightest bit objective. So, given that, you would have to claim to know, really know, that it's all despite him to say h…

> The media hates him [Musk], and I can understand how that can be hard to separate out from one's view of reality;

The media reports on him.

Makes him look bad.

Not the media's fault.

It is how a genius can also be a fool

Re: Why I Left Rust

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As a non-american I must say I don't understand where the latter half of the article comes from. Why care about race? Why must a racist reason be sought behind everything?

I think it's just SJW mudslinging. Imply someone's a racist and they spend so much time defending themselves against the accusation that people just start to assume they're racist. Activist cultures have the nastiest in-fighting.
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