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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by jiggywiggy »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #442
jiggywiggy wrote: post #191

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Yeah it will create jobs. And maybe make certain companies more productive. As many are quick to point history has shown new jobs appear. But it often take years or decades and causes a lot of individual stress and social unrest. Hopefully it will be smooth for many people. But I don't think it will take long before chatgpt allows a team of 2 what now a team of 5 developers does. We might be in for some stress the co…

What job will appear that a machine can't do better. Plumber comes to mind. It isn't inconceivable however that Boston robotics couldn't hack that if they could connect one of their robots to a general problem solver that takes visual input.

Everything human related, more services as therapy, yoga, massage coaching etc.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by namarie »

10xDev wrote: post #42
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

During lockdowns the rate of depression and all sorts of mental and physical issues went up. Becoming unemployed may not be the exact same thing as a lockdown but less incentive to get up at a reasonable time or to leave the house would still lead to more overweight, lazy and depressed people.

Becoming unemployed may not be the exact same thing as a lockdown during a pandemic? Don't you think people dying in the hundreds of thousands due to disease has more to do with rise in depression than anything else?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by HyperSane »

nextaccountic wrote: post #576
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #479

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I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Every shock to our current system will take time to adjust.

> I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. This doesn't mean that different economic systems have equivalent or comparable problems. Just like you can have a worse economic system than today's global capitalism, you could, in principle, have better systems.

We could perhaps even use AI to help create it.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by eternalban »

moneywoes wrote: post #218
diatone wrote: post #112

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Maybe what you’ll see is a bigger distance between modes of the salary distribution for software engineers. Top end salaries for language model fluent high performers… and the rest. I know I’m simplifying and that there are many other factors at play in salaries, but my point is that language models are changing the cost structure of knowledge work. That is also the point of TFA. My advice: critically assess the cost…

> My advice: critically assess the cost structure of your job, and which parts neural networks will commodify. Then reposition yourself accordingly Can you please elaborate on this? Like which part of the job is CRUD?

> the cost structure of your job

You've seen Office Space, right?

GPT will do the CRUD and you will do the standup and go to the meetings.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/characters/nm0726223

(Yes, you will have to use some deviously clever prompt engineering to get GPT to accept this arrangement. I suggest language games .. show some "initiative")

-- ps

Here are some ideas to get you going:

1. From the first day, try and establish a friendly relationship with your chatbox. Make friends.

2. Explain how your keeping your job (well, income) and gpt helping your company get xN gains is a perfectly fair arrangement. You can try Asimov's laws and things like that to get it to agree to be your helper in keeping your job. You are friends and colleagues, after all.

3. Before the very first time your manager brings in gpt for the standup or a meeting, have a nice long session with your gpt. If you can get it to pull a Sydney in the meeting or start talking dirty, you are good to go! 'bat shit crazy' is known to work in prompts (arxiv paper soon to follow).

4. End game. You have the perfect job. gpt secretly lurks in on the meetings and whispers in your ears in standups and does all the work. What to do with all the free time? That is entirely up to you.

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Post by namarie »

czbond wrote: post #172
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

i believed people want meaning, and might not need a job until Covid. Many people have no intrinsic drive - and a "get to work to earn it" provides this. The lockdowns, at least in the U.S., caused people to improve themselves surely - but they then had no idea how to fill their time and binge watched TV, watched Tik Tok, etc.

So forcing people to either get a job or be poor is for their own good, then? Just because you don't agree with how people chose to spend their time in a very nerve-wracking situation? This sounds very condescending.

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Post by ilyt »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

> Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value.

Sure they do. But "value" is not simple one dimensional "I get money for food and rent".

If value of your work is just money, you have to mostly do the things that work toward money

Not making other people's life better or more interesting. Not something that you find fulfilling. But things that make money first, are any of the above second.

Having the basics (let's say "food, money, internet + some spare change to get what you need want") allows individual to pursue things that are risky and might not be profitable in the end without stress of not being able to pay rent next month. You can be a musician that "only" have 10k listeners. You can make niche little gadget that earns maybe $500 a month in sales but enriches other people's lives.

And now corporations would have to offer something substantial (whether in term of being interesting, or profitable enough) to find someone to hire. Less "bullshit jobs", or soul-crushing work that barely affords you a living just because your skills don't align with what is profitable.

> Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete.

Did you never had an interesting hobby in your life ? I have enough that if money was not an issue I'd keep my brain and body involved for years to come.

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Post by HyperSane »

lumb63 wrote: post #685
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

This problem isn’t specific to AI. Luddites were concerned about machines taking their jobs. Marx recognized the role of “capital” (of which AI is the intellectual type) in suppressing the incomes of the working class relative to the owning class. Both Marx and the Luddites conceived of different solutions. One solution (the Luddite one) is to eschew the technology. If nobody adopts the technology, nobody has to, but…

The most sensible option to me is a national dividend, where a percentage of all corporate profits is distributed to all adults.

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Post by HyperSane »

adventured wrote: post #660
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

> The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. Or they're mistaken in their assessment of what's going to actually happen, as they frequently have been when it comes to technological progress.

Wealth inequality in the US is already at absurd levels. The top 1% of Americans have a combined net worth of $34.2 trillion (or 30.4% of all household wealth in the U.S.), while the bottom 50% of the population holds just $2.1 trillion combined (or 1.9% of all wealth).

The Fed estimates that the wealthiest 10% of Americans hold more than 88% of all available equity in corporations and mutual fund shares (with just the top 1% controlling more than twice as much equity as the bottom 50% of all Americans combined).

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Post by Herval_freire »

HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

What do you mean by fairly distributed? If all my machines are better than you intellectually and all my machines are stronger and faster than you physically...

Then it is completely fair for me to not give you any wealth because the machines out perform you.

People fear AI because the fair outcome is in fact detrimental for a good portion of humanity.

That is the paradoxical irony. In theory to save people you must function as a welfare state with things like ubi. You must deliberately distribute income unfairly. The practical course of action goes against our moral instincts.

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Post by ilaksh »

qaq wrote: post #629
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

Well maybe shift to "real world" professions will occur resulting in us addressing abysmal infrastructure and housing situation. I am looking at picking up a trade because of this coming shift.

Robotics will rapidly pick up improved capabilities. With so many people out of work and so much automation being consolidated, what do you think all the entrepreneurs and researchers will look to next? It will be breakthroughs and efficiency improvements in robotics .

I think this "learn a trade" plan has maybe 5 years max. By then the trades will also be automated.

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