Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

Post by theluketaylor » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 1:48 AM UTC

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alluro2 wrote: post #324

I generally root for Tesla as a former underdog who lit the fire under the asses of stagnating manufacturers, but, seeing videos of FSD in action, I'm fully on the side of people who think that calling it FSD should be considered fraud. Given how much time and data they had so far, and the state it's in, it really makes news like Zoox getting a testing permit for public roads, without any manual controls in the vehic…

what videos are you talking about? when i watch recent FSD videos (there have been regressions recently) on youtube the car generally drives itself. if you showed those videos to someone in the 90s they would without hesitation remark "that car drives itself!" there is zero ambiguity about this. nobody said that a self driving car could never make mistakes. the 90s person would definitely notice those mistakes but wo…

Post by jamiek88 » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 1:58 AM UTC

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I find Musk ridiculous, which is not the same as hating someone. People on this site have historically had trouble with the distinction. To answer your question, though, my opinion on his Mars project would change completely if it turned out that cave rescue guy actually was a pedo.

I mean, not to get personal or take this on a tangent, but, I am a longtime reader of your tweets and blog, and you seem to have an actual problem of values with him. You clearly have a direction you'd like society to move in and I feel like I've seen you express dismay that this energetic, instrumentally effective guy is out there making the world into something else. Is that not the case?

Post by brhsagain » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 2:05 AM UTC

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I mean, not to get personal or take this on a tangent, but, I am a longtime reader of your tweets and blog, and you seem to have an actual problem of values with him. You clearly have a direction you'd like society to move in and I feel like I've seen you express dismay that this energetic, instrumentally effective guy is out there making the world into something else. Is that not the case?

>You clearly have a direction you'd like society to move in and I feel like I've seen you express dismay that this energetic, instrumentally effective guy is out there Hahaha talk about a loaded question. You see enthusiasm I see manic grift.

Post by foobarbecue » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 2:24 AM UTC

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jlv2 wrote: post #154

There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.

Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.

Post by 93po » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 2:30 AM UTC

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can we please stop with this disinformation? the customers are not the QA team.

what do you call them? there's no way possible that they can make changes to the software and have them thoroughly vetted before the OTA push. Tesla does not have enough cars owned by the company driving on public roads to vet these changes. The QA team at best can analyze the data received from the customers. That makes the customers the testers in my book.