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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by wlonkly »

CivBase wrote: post #650
arkades wrote: post #445

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Stephen King’s tweet on that topic, to summarize: “ $20 a month to keep my blue check? Fuck that, they should pay me. If that gets instituted, I’m gone like Enron.” https://twitter.com/stephenking/status/1587042605627490304?s...

> they should pay me ...why? As someone who doesn't use Twitter, remarks like this have left me very confused. Clearly these people found Twitter valuable before. Does not having the checkmark make it less valuable? Is there an alternative service that provides similar value? The blue checkmark is a service. Now they want money to continue that service. If you don't want it, don't pay for it. Leaving over concerns ab…

I wish I could remember where I saw this to credit (and not paraphrase), but I saw a tweet which said, basically: "Twitter somehow got Stephen King, Taylor Swift and thousands of others to produce content for them for free. And now they want to lose them over $20/month?"

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by parineum »

danpalmer wrote: post #60
costcofries wrote: post #47

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"biases towards those with means rather than those contributing to the conversation" I'm not sure this is a bad thing. If you are a user who actively contributes to the conversation and get's value out of being in that conversation, then it's likely you derive enough value to pay $8. The difference however is that now your contribution is more likely to be seen. You might even engage more now. If you aren't that user…

> I'm not sure this is a bad thing. If you are a user who actively contributes to the conversation and get's value out of being in that conversation, then it's likely you derive enough value to pay $8. The difference however is that now your contribution is more likely to be seen. You might even engage more now. I disagree. Diverse input results in better conversations – less of an echo chamber, less black and white…

>I disagree. Diverse input results in better conversations – less of an echo chamber, less black and white thinking, more visibility for other viewpoints, more empathy.

Is this your experience with Twitter?

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by simondotau »

panick21_ wrote: post #701
simondotau wrote: post #675

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The emerald mine claim comes from statements made by Errol Musk (Elon's father) who described it as a part share in an Zambian mine which resulted in a total lifetime revenues in the order of a few hundred thousand dollars. None of what Errol has said has been corroborated by anyone. No independent sources exist. It's also worth noting that Zambia is not a conflict gem country and an emerald mine in Zambia would not…

I saw a recent Twitter take that was like: "Who payed for those computers in the 90s that Musk had access to?" Its like yeah ok, he wasn't found in a dumbster during a civil war. Is that the level now, where nobody can get any credit because they were not born into abject poverty? That just basically means that 99% of people who achieve anything don't deserve credit for anything. Its basically materialist logic taken…

Or those takes where it’s argued that because his companies have many hundreds of employees, it’s literally impossible for Elon to have contributed anything of value whatsoever.

Or even more hilariously, that Elon is some kind of marketing genius. Seriously, the guy is the opposite of a smooth communicator, and leans heavily into his autistic sense of humour. Yet apparently the only reason anyone ever bought a Tesla is because they were suckered in by a slick sales pitch.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by ziddoap »

tsol wrote: post #699
tyingq wrote: post #666

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He's quite active. https://stephenking.com/works/all/ then sort newest to oldest.

Except of the social networks I browse, stephenking.com is not one of them. So really no I wouldn't hear of him. I'm sure his die hard fans will though.

>So really no I wouldn't hear of him

I guess if you never step foot into a library, bookstore, movie theatre, etc. Sure.

King does not sell books because of his presence on a social network. He sold 350 million copies of his books before Twitter was even invented.

"die hard fans" the only ones to hear of King? Big lol.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by encryptluks2 »

drstewart wrote: post #466
encryptluks2 wrote: post #439

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And I agree with Stephen King. YouTube rewards content creators and provides a strong platform for creators to market themselves. Twitter provides a platform for brain farts and now they want to charge for a blue checkmark. I guess Musk believes if people are stupid enough to believe in his lies before that they'll be stupid enough to pay for a blue checkmark. Wait until you see how they begin marketing the subscript…

How much profit does YouTube make?

Revenue or profit? I don't know how much profit they make but their revenue is significantly more than Twitter

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by elicash »

jdlshore wrote: post #713
elicash wrote: post #665

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> Funding social media through advertising has led to dysfunctional outcomes > Eight dollars a month isn't much to pay if it improves my visibility What you're describing in that second quote is advertising. You are paying for additional reach, in this case you'd get those additional impressions via "priority" in replies, mentions & search. What they've done is dressed up advertising as a membership feature because i…

Although you’re technically correct, I think there’s a qualitative difference here. Traditional advertising is priced on number of impressions. As a result, publishers are incentivized to juice engagement numbers. Practically speaking, that means outrage-generating content and similar garbage. This sort of “advertising” is a class system, with one class of users getting some sort of visibility bump over a second clas…

I’m an advertiser and I think you understate how ad platforms incentivize quality content (via quality scores that affect price) and overstate how this twitter blue proposal would do so.

Also you greatly simplify how current advertising works. It’s not anywhere as simple as you describe.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by gh02t »

tptacek wrote: post #685
TuringNYC wrote: post #680

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>> Anywhere Stephen King writes, he'll have an audience. Is that really true? Suppose King goes to a new social platform. Sure, I might install that app, but without a critical mass or others on that platform, what are the chances I actually check that app frequently?

Yes, this is really true. People on HN will see less of Stephen King, to the extent that they're not part of his audience (maybe HN is more of an Ari Aster crowd). But that doesn't matter: people aren't spending hundreds of millions of dollars on 2019 movies based on books he wrote in the 1980s because he's driving lots of Twitter engagement. This whole discussion about King's relevance is super weird. I think it's j…

I agree with you to an extent, but I will note that while most Americans don't directly use Twitter, I think a much much larger fraction are exposed to it. It's hard to escape when every news outlet and gossip farm cites it constantly and you have to factor that in when discussing its relevance.

I simultaneously don't think I personally know a single person that uses Twitter regularly and yet I equally don't think I know a single person that doesn't know what it is and sees second hand content from it regularly.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by samatman »

koonsolo wrote: post #496
causality0 wrote: post #428

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Yeah, if you got famous exclusively on Twitter it's because you're a demagogue, not a content creator.

Can you name the MrBeast or PewDiePie of twitter?

He was President of the United States for a minute there, strange though it is to think about.

Ah, you say, but Donald Trump was famous before Twitter!

He was, yes. But he wasn't President.

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Post by ziddoap »

panick21_ wrote: post #695
roflyear wrote: post #645

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It is pulled out of his butt, the F150 sells 3/4 of a million a year (just the f150!) and makes on the low end a gross profit of $10k per sold. The model x sold about 7.5k cars in 2021, way down from the 20-30k it was selling each year. OK let's say it sold $30k, and Tesla made a profit of $100k (more than the car sells for) for each car. That's still less than 50% of the F150 yearly profit. LOL.

Comparing it to the F150 is idiotic. That's the most sold car in the US and in a different segment. Compare it to other comparable cars in the same segment and it looks pretty damn good. Lower volume high margin cars are really worth it for companies and Ford wishes it had an EV in that classed that sold have as well. The Model X sells in numbers not unlike Mach E while having double the price.

>most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era.

That's what the parent said. Not "in the EV market segment", not "looks pretty damn good".

I agree it's a silly comparison to make normally, but it's a perfectly apt reply to someone stating something so obviously out-of-touch, like the Model X being the most profitable car in the modern era.

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