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Post by ls15 »

c3534l wrote: post #425
AlwaysRock wrote: post #213

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

I don't know much about Kanye, but are reports of people telling him he didn'h have talent to be a rapper genuine, or just something he tells people? Because it sounds like the sort of thing people make up for their own personal narrative. It reminds me of when people say things like "the doctor told me I only had a year to live" - which is something no doctor would actually say because its a massive legal liability,…

Most artists have to deal with rejection at some point

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Post by spacemadness »

wk_end wrote: post #536
spacemadness wrote: post #431

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Free speech to me is not going to jail for saying you think Hitler is a swell guy or you hate the president. It has nothing to do with protected algorithmic amplification of hate speech which is what a lot of bad actors are clinging to it for.

It's complicated - that's Free Speech as a right , but Free Speech as a virtue has a history in liberal thought that goes deeper than just protection from the government - most notably, Mill in On Liberty. There's an unfortunate but understandable tendency to conflate these two things.

I’m not really conflating them here. The bad actors argue that having access to algorithmic amplification is a right. As an aside, how do we fit bots into JSM’s framework?

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Post by AlexandrB »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #300
jeffwask wrote: post #115

Candace Owens really played Ye.

You don't become a multi-billionaire being the one that's played.

Past performance is not a guarantee of future returns. Someone can be brilliant for a long time and still get played in the end. Just take a look at what happened to Tony Hsieh after he got hooked on drugs: https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelauyeung/2021/01/26/cause-o...

> But instead, the community turned into a hedonistic enclave, where people on Hsieh’s payroll indulged his every whim — such as conducting a research report on the laughing gas nitrous oxide, which he was consuming daily, to figuring out a way to stop time—and were less willing to curb his increasingly concerning behavior and excessive drug use, Forbes previously reported. During this time, Hsieh resisted attempts by family members and close friends to check him into rehab, according to multiple people familiar with the matter. By the end of July, Hsieh was estranged from his parents and several of his close friends.

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Post by stale2002 »

mrtksn wrote: post #100
dd36 wrote: post #98

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And AFAIK an anonymous political dissident wouldn’t want a blue checkmark? Furthermore, there can be layers of anonymity. There can be anonymous publicly but not to Twitter. That’s dangerous given that Twitter cannot protect your identity from a state actor accessing its internal systems. Thus, again, why would you want a checkmark as a dissident.

Again, not every speech revolves around political dissent.

Some does though.

So the fact that this applies to some people means that it is an issue for those people.

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Post by philippejara »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #364
bombcar wrote: post #225

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They could grow the website just fine - it was growing the advertising (read: profits) that is the problem. And you'll know the death-knell for reddit is here when they crack down on the porn.

No, it wasn't just about advertising. Some types of content (piracy, child porn, etc) would get them in actual legal trouble

that falls under illegal content in the US which they never didn't remove. Maybe not piracy but there's plenty of piracy subreddits last I checked. What made them start changing things iirc was the backlash over the Icloud(?) celebrity nude leaks.

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Post by z7 »

z7 wrote: post #309
tptacek wrote: post #249

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He believes his kids friends are "professional actors" who were placed there to "sexualize" them, that The Gap knew about the Uvalde shooting before it happened, and that Pete Davidson slept with his wife through the mechinations of an international Jewish conspiracy. You're doing the same thing Fox did: quoting the least unhinged things and pretending the most unhinged things didn't get said. And, as I'm sure will h…

Thing is, I need to see the primary source before I can make a judgement. I tried to find the source for the first claim and it seems to be a quote from this Vice article: >Carlson’s program also didn’t air a strange claim from Ye that “fake children” had been placed in his house to manipulate his children. “I mean, like actors, professional actors, placed into my house to sexualize my kids,” he told Carlson. He refe…

lol, I already scored two thumbs down for wanting to see the primary source and wanting to understand the context before making a judgement. xD

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Post by trafficante »

klyrs wrote: post #706
_gabe_ wrote: post #673

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> Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies. Can you give specific examples? I just looked this up because I was interested. This very long winded Vice article only seems to point out a few "antisemitic" statements he makes[0]. Here's the first two: > Ye used a strange metaphor when talking about Black people judging one another, telling Carlson, “Think…

First off, his name is Ye, and I actually like his music (though, let's be honest, Donda was never gonna live up to the hype). This isn't about me not liking the guy. > Show me where Kanye is advocating for the annihilation of the Jews before you go citing baseless claims. Now, I didn't say he's been advocating for the annihilation of Jewish people, I said "blasting antisemitism." Antisemitism exists on a spectrum, a…

The recent Drink Champs podcast is a weird mix of legit anti-semitism (“Jewish media blackballed me”) and, for lack of a better phrase, “advice to black people that they should copy behaviors that made Jews successful”.

Stuff like investing in property and making sure your children have a career path lined up regardless of your personal success. His anecdote about Stevie Wonder’s kid being forced into a low end job to make ends meet is really sad if it’s true.

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Post by badpun »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #213
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

> Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time

I don’t think he’s even recognized as being in the top 3. There are so many much better than him, such as Eminem, Tupac, Snoop Dogg.

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Post by btbuildem »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #153
shadowgovt wrote: post #129

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> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does wiggle its eyebrows meaningfully in causation's direction.

It tells me there's places of free speech on the internet but what is really wanted here is forced listening. Free speech on small fringe sites somehow doesn't count because it's not forced on people that don't want to see it. It's pretty clearly not a free speech issue at this point.

That's a good observation!

I get unreasonably irked when some subreddit won't let me post a comment / removes a comment. Like, "who do you think you are to limit my ability to express myself here?!" Deprived of context, my contribution is meaningless -- so, how does that interact with the freedom of speech, really?

Say I'm in a crowded square where people are arguing about squids, and I have a squid-related revelation I'd like to share, but the self-appointed Guardians of the Square have gagged me. Is this an infringement on free speech? I'm free to leave the square and speak -- but what I have to say is relevant within the confines of the square, not elsewhere.

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