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Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by robertlagrant »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #710
robertlagrant wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that a lot of the fashion industry appears to be pretty disgusting. But that doesn't mean that it would be better if fewer of the steps were automated.

Local communities would be stronger and more resilient with more local crafts-people providing meaningful labor within said communities. Currently, everything is extraction and the US is rotting from the inside out because of it.

People can do that right now; they just choose not to. I don't think you can do simple moralising at the state of things and point the blame at a single cause.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by sngz »

efdee wrote: post #549
sngz wrote: post #451

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I really wonder what all those people who said Microsoft acquisition of Github was a good thing for opensource think now. I'm sure there will still be mental gymnastics involved.

Claiming Github's Copilot is Microsoft's "Extinguish" step against open source _is_ the mental gymnastics.

there it is

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by robertlagrant »

enragedcacti wrote: post #714
robertlagrant wrote: post #687

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> Plenty of ways to make money without being useful—or by being actively harmful—to someone else. I don't equate, say, "making money" with "stealing money". I mean the way people do things within the law. Inheriting is different; the money is already made. Interest is being useful to someone else, via the loan of capital.

> I don't equate, say, "making money" with "stealing money". I mean the way people do things within the law. Laws shouldn't be equated to ethics. There have been and will be countless ways to make money legally and unethically in any society.

I've no idea what your point is in relation to the topic. Stealing money is against the law, so that already rules it out from "making money". That was my point.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by zimpenfish »

Timwi wrote: post #676
zimpenfish wrote: post #545

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> If I publish myself playing that song without the copyright owners permission Music licensing is bonkers but AFAIR (at least in the UK) I think you're allowed to do covers without explicit permission[1] - you'll have to give the original writers/composers the appropriate share of any money you make. [1] Which is why you (used to?) get, e.g., supermarkets playing covers of songs rather than the originals because it'…

What's the appropriate share?

In the UK, at least, it seemed to depend on several decades of accumulated rules and whatnots that only the PRS understood[1] (but I haven't been involved in anything related to music licensing for a few years and even then it was baffling.)

[1] Things like "was it on the radio or a TV show or a live performance or a recording? who was the composer? which licensing region was it in?" etc.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by nightski »

happymellon wrote: post #513
nightski wrote: post #471

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Or just don't use Github.

That doesn't help when someone else mirrors your code to GitHub.

But that's not guaranteed to happen and it still is a step forward.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by crummy »

alpaca128 wrote: post #620
crummy wrote: post #300

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In my opinion Copilot helps with the easy, boring stuff by typing what I likely would have typed anyway. The harder the code to write, the less likely I'd be to lean on Copilot.

And the easy, boring, legally unproblematic stuff can already be handled by good IDE completion features. As a bonus those are actually tested and deterministic.

I use an IDE with plenty of smart completion. Copilot offers considerably more (otherwise I wouldn't use or pay for it).

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by andrepd »

elcomet wrote: post #689
grecy wrote: post #606

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An equally simple answer is that copilot is pulling code (or at least analyzing) from repositories that are not public.

I think that's very unlikely, they said and repeated that they are not using private code. People catching them lying on this would be very bad for GitHub.

This is some highly impressive logic right here.

Proposition: "They don't use private code".

Proof: "They said they don't use private code. Either the private code appearing is published somewhere else, or they are using private code. Lying would be bad. Therefore the code is published somewhere else, and they don't use private code".

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by andrepd »

dmix wrote: post #486
socialismisok wrote: post #472

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Hey Ryan! Have you ever done any reading on the Luddites? They weren't the anti technology, anti progress social force people think they were. They were highly skilled laborers who knew how to operate complex looms. When auto looms came along, factory owners decided they didn't want highly trained, knowledgeable workers they wanted highly disposable workers. The Luddites were happy to operate the new looms, they just…

What alternative are you suggesting? Things turned out pretty great economy-wise for people in the UK. So that's a poor example even if Luddites didn't hate technology. Not working on the technology wouldn't have done the world any favours (nor the millions of people who wore the more affordable clothes it produced). I personally think it'd be rewarding to make developers lives easier, essentially just saving the cou…

> Not working on the technology wouldn't have done the world any favours (nor the millions of people who wore the more affordable clothes it produced).

Did you read the comment you're replying to at all? It says

>The Luddites were happy to operate the new looms, they just wanted to realize some of the profit from the savings in labor along with the factory owners.

Now maybe you agree maybe you disagree. But if you're just talking past the person you're replying to... what's the point?

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by andrepd »

cdogl wrote: post #591
krageon wrote: post #506

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The luddites were right. Everything is worse because they did not win, which is obvious if you spend a second thinking about what them not winning means: more concentrated wealth, more disenfranchised workers.

It’s difficult for me to see how 2022 is worse than 1816 all things considered.

It would indeed be an outstanding catastrophe if 200 years of the most incredible scientific and technological progress yielded a worse result. Of course, that is entirely not the point (none of the times this trope comes out). What is being argued is that 2022 as it is is worse than 2022 as it could be.

In other words: things improved because of technology and despite the societal/economic framework, not because of it.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by andrepd »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #652
latexr wrote: post #618

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> the only reason anyone makes money (other than tax money) is because they're useful to someone else. Stealing, scamming, gambling, inheriting, collecting interest, price gouging, slavery, underpaying workers, supporting laws to undermine competitors… Plenty of ways to make money without being useful—or by being actively harmful—to someone else. > Almost all of the clothing industry companies make money from large n…

>sold by emotionally exploiting people in rich countries under the guise of “fashion”. only emotionally crippled people like fashion, if they were healthy they would all dress in gray unitards and march in formation towards the glorious future! hey I too have often been carried away by my own rhetoric but come on!

We definitely don't need to change wardrobes entirely 2x per year, at great cost in externalities such as pollution from all the shipping. I'm sure you understood that this is the point.
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