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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by MichaelCollins »

Fiahil wrote: post #641
blue_light_man wrote: post #607

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This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…

> by voting with money "voting with money" or "voting with your wallet" is a complete non-sense. There is no -absolutely no- way for anyone in the industry to attribute a lost sale to a "missing" feature. I think this also a symptoms on how Americans view the world through means of consumption. Everything HAS TO be consumed one way or another.

Every time somebody says to "vote with your wallet", there is an implicit command to shut up and stop complaining about the product. The argument goes that the only legitimate way to respond to a product you don't like is to "vote with your wallet" (not buy it), implying that voting against the corporation's practices at the ballot box or on a soap box aren't legitimate. "vote with your wallet" is a fundamentally anti-democratic utterance that attempts to de-legitimize dissenters' participation in government and public discussion.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by aembleton »

schmuelio wrote: post #491
kypro wrote: post #87

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Consumers still don't have a say. Now instead of companies choosing what hardware & features are best for their product, and you then choosing products based on your preferences, EU regulators are now forcing companies (and therefore you) to use whatever they think is best. I think in the case of USB-C it's not too bad just because USB-C is widely agreed to be a good connector that's already widely adopted, but there…

> EU regulators are now forcing companies (and therefore you) to use whatever they think is best. All those shady un-elected EU regulators... Oh wait, which ones do you not elect again? Was it government officials or company managers?

Commissioners

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by xdennis »

blue_light_man wrote: post #607
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…

> This is such a short sighted view.

It's not. The EU tried to do it the easy way, where companies would agree amongst themselves. This was finally accomplished in 2009[1] by every one except Apple.

[1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/10-companies-agree-t...

After 13 years, the EU is finally forcing Apple.

> EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money

We're also voting with our votes and most of us agree with that the EU is doing here.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by frosted-flakes »

culturestate wrote: post #415
pwpw wrote: post #350

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Bell Labs allowed others to produce transistor based hearing aids royalty free. Volvo allowed others to use a 3-point harness system royalty free. Apple created Lightning to solve a problem and wanted royalties on all products using it. Naturally, the market moved to another solution. While Lightning may be a good piece of technology, I think Apple is largely to blame for its demise. Standardization is good for consu…

> they were the only major manufacturer on the market not playing ball with a standardized port I genuinely believe that there’s only one real reason Apple resisted moving away from Lightning: They saw the writing on the wall from the EU over the last few years, and - remembering the way people lost their minds over the switch from 40-pin to Lightning (“it’s a money grab! they want me to replace all of my accessories…

Except if Apple voluntarily made iPhones that charged over USB-C, most people would rejoice, because most people already have loads of USB-C chargers for all of their other electronic devices.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by triceratops »

zaik wrote: post #688
tunap wrote: post #669

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>But in long sight it's a hinderence to progress by enforcing a technology on the market instead of letting the free market decide the technology. No, it's not in any way a hindrance to the market, merely one player who desires rent seeking. What it is doing is enforcing standards on manufacturers instead of the other way around.

Maybe we can have an internet standard for messaging apps next?

Yes let's.
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