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Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by Alupis »

vkou wrote: post #715
phpisthebest wrote: post #672

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We are going to have to agree to disagree on what happened in Kenosha.... Because your rendition of events as no match for what was reveled in trial, and other sources

When you're in an active situation you don't have time to wait 8 months for a trial to clear things up. Rittenhouse believed he acted in self-defense... And at the time, so did Huber, and Grosskreutz.

This seems to be a complete re-writing of the facts revealed from eye witness and video accounts of the events of that evening. The jury also seems to disagree with this alternate narrative.

It may be what some folks want to believe happened, but it is absolutely not the facts.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by internet_user »

preseinger wrote: post #677
akomtu wrote: post #663

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If reincarnation exists, I hope that such people who are busy restricting others freedoms get all assembled together on a big island where they all get to live a very long life restricting each other to the ground, and when their nation makes Orwell blush, they get to live another 1500 years, enjoying each others company in a zero-freedom society, until they finally learn that it's not their f-ing business messing wi…

The only place on earth where gun ownership is considered a freedom rather than a threat to civil society is America.

Wrong.

Czech Republic is a shall issue country in the heart of otherwise gunless Europe.

500 year long gun tradition. The only two times gun ownership/carry was suspended during those 500 years was under Nazi and Soviet occupation.

Even foreigners from friendly nations can obtain a permit and carry, not even the USA doesn’t do it.

Self-defence with deadly force enshrined in the constitution.

Lower homicide rates than gunless Asia.

Every gun permit is also automatically a concealed carry permit, again, not even the USA doesn’t allow in every state.

20% of parliamentarians carry weapons to the Parliament.

This is a country in Europe.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by internet_user »

babypuncher wrote: post #688
preseinger wrote: post #677

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The only place on earth where gun ownership is considered a freedom rather than a threat to civil society is America.

At best, gun ownership should be viewed as a regulated privilege not unlike driving on public roads. Everyone who drives has to be licensed to do so. There are different licenses controlling the use of larger vehicles on public roads. There are safety requirements vehicles must meet in order to be street legal. Every vehicle has a unique registration number tied to the owner. All of these regulations have made drivin…

Czech Republic has had a gun tradition for ~500 years.

Homicide rates are lower than in over-regulated nearby Germany and quite a few other European countries. It’s even lower than some famously entirely gunless Asian countries.

Your conclusions are not grounded in data.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by SnowHill9902 »

dannyw wrote: post #168
diogenes1 wrote: post #136

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even more shameful is the tone of conversation regarding this in internet forums now vs in 1993. How the hell can you be pro arrest of developers

People don't seem to realize that there is little fundamental distinction between a crypto privacy service, and encrypted messaging apps like Signal and matrix. A bitcoin private key is just "KwTHJw865SLeTAjK7otYb5bL5mwutBb2vDxxF7kGf5XvY7QttnvM" after all.

That’s not they key, that’s a representation of the key.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

carlosdp wrote: post #264
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #156

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> Am i alone in thinking this is not going to fly if all he did was write some software that helps with your financial anonymity? Probably. That said, he is arrested under Dutch law. We have no evidence this is tied to U.S. sanctions. As others mention, Dutch law restricts cash transactions in ways U.S. law does not. Also, in June—when the link says they began the investigation—it was publicly known Tornado was being…

> Also, in June—when the link says they began the investigation—it was publicly known Tornado was being used to launder money. If the developer kept working on it, they knew what they were doing. People keep saying this in this thread. Is everyone at WhatsApp also guilty of a crime for continuing to work on WhatsApp even though they know the Taliban uses it for communication?

>Is everyone at WhatsApp also guilty of a crime for continuing to work on WhatsApp even though they know the Taliban uses it for communication?

If the law is written by authoritarians they very well could be. What is legal has absolutely no relation to what is right, wrong, ethical or unethical. It depends entirely on the people passing the law.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by bb88 »

internet_user wrote: post #723
babypuncher wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At best, gun ownership should be viewed as a regulated privilege not unlike driving on public roads. Everyone who drives has to be licensed to do so. There are different licenses controlling the use of larger vehicles on public roads. There are safety requirements vehicles must meet in order to be street legal. Every vehicle has a unique registration number tied to the owner. All of these regulations have made drivin…

Czech Republic has had a gun tradition for ~500 years. Homicide rates are lower than in over-regulated nearby Germany and quite a few other European countries. It’s even lower than some famously entirely gunless Asian countries. Your conclusions are not grounded in data.

Deaths before and after automobile and driving regulations can, in fact, be measured.

It's just a google away to prove it.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by bb88 »

notch656a wrote: post #628
croes wrote: post #525

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I see nothing of a ban

There is expansion of the ban every time they add new types of "felons." The government has focused the past ~60 years years on greatly expanding who is a felon, and then enshrining that they do not have the same civil rights as others after serving their sentence.

I, for one, believe that felons should lose some rights. Personally I think felons should keep speech and voting rights, but anything related to violence should be prohibited.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by bb88 »

Alupis wrote: post #719
MaysonL wrote: post #684

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Are there countries where guns have been banned, and mass shootings increase? Are there countries where banned guns have been allowed, and mass shootings increased?

Other countries have their own version of mass shootings. They often involve knives, explosives, or vehicles instead. You trade one for the other. Mentally unstable/unhealthy people commit mass violent acts regardless of the tools available. In practically zero cases of mass shootings was the assailant completely mentally healthy. Taking away one particular violent tool is not going to solve the mental health problem…

> They often involve knives, explosives, or vehicles instead.

Which, btw, are all regulated in the US.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by bb88 »

Alupis wrote: post #721
vkou wrote: post #715

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're in an active situation you don't have time to wait 8 months for a trial to clear things up. Rittenhouse believed he acted in self-defense... And at the time, so did Huber, and Grosskreutz.

This seems to be a complete re-writing of the facts revealed from eye witness and video accounts of the events of that evening. The jury also seems to disagree with this alternate narrative. It may be what some folks want to believe happened, but it is absolutely not the facts.

> The jury also seems to disagree with this alternate narrative.

The prosecution couldn't bring to the stand the people he killed -- because they were dead.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by [deleted] »

notch656a wrote: post #628
croes wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see nothing of a ban

There is expansion of the ban every time they add new types of "felons." The government has focused the past ~60 years years on greatly expanding who is a felon, and then enshrining that they do not have the same civil rights as others after serving their sentence.

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