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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Xeoncross »

627467 wrote: post #368
jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…

The US isn't rounding thousands (millions actually?) of civil, political, religious, and other kinds of dissenters and imprisoning, reeducating, or killing them.

That's kind of a big difference here.

The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people.

Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad.

Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by whateveracct »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #595
elliekelly wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It annoys me that these headlines keep falsely attributing his statements to the FCC as a whole. I hate TikTok and I tend to agree that it’s a security risk (so, too, is Facebook, IMO). But this guy has it out for TikTok solely for political reasons and in order to please Trump.

To be fair, and I'm not fan of Trump, but if Trump hypothetically supported something good... like let's say universal healthcare, a lot of Democrats would oppose it just because Trump supported it.

I'm pretty sure if Trump supported universal healthcare, people would get on board.

The problem is 1) very few of his actual policies were good on the face of them and 2) even some of the milquetoast stuff he did had unsavory motivation.

Realistically, any theoretical universal healthcare proposed by Trump would probably have strings attached that further eroded the functioning of the federal government (which is a common theme between pretty much all R legislation).

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by okasaki »

Xeoncross wrote: post #721
627467 wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…

The US isn't rounding thousands (millions actually?) of civil, political, religious, and other kinds of dissenters and imprisoning, reeducating, or killing them. That's kind of a big difference here. The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people. Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad. Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

Does the US have dissidents?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by throw10920 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #441
cudgy wrote: post #206

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Ok. Put a stop to TikTok and allow US companies to vacuum up our data. China then hacks those companies servers or installs agents within the companies and gets the data anyway. Security threat not avoided. None of these companies should be allowed to store and abuse the sensitive information people divulge when using many of these services.

Meta is bad, Tiktok is worse. It is folly to think that "Install Chinese government spyware on a phone" is the same level of effort as "Force the Chinese government to work on advanced persistent threats and install massive exfiltration malware on some of the most secure networks on the planet".

Well said. Between "voluntarily install garden-variety malware on your devices" and "force the CCP to spend massive amounts of time and money on exploits that they could otherwise use against their more important targets", I'll take the latter.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by the_only_law »

tylersmith wrote: post #710
phpisthebest wrote: post #700

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The US is a Constitutional Republic, Arguing otherwise is showing ignorance of governmental structures.

There's a similar comment here that's dead. People love to complain about the US not being democratic, but when you point out that they're correct and the US is in fact not a democracy and not democratic it gets downvoted.

Because it's a lazy boring way to try to detail a thread. You're arguing something that the other people aren't even saying . Anyone with a half working brain who's gone outside in the last 20 years understands colloquial use of words.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by throw10920 »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #672
jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

Honestly, if some government needs to have my data, and I can't reasonably prevent it, I would be more than happy if that's some government on the other side of the planet without practical means to put me in jail, torture, and influence to do things that can harm me and my friends and family. Being spied by Russia, no problem. Being spied by China, no big deal either. But being spied by the USA or EU controlled enti…

How often do you hear about US citizens being disappeared for making a critical comment about their leader?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by whateveracct »

_-david-_ wrote: post #659
cm42 wrote: post #628

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OTOH, Xi has never imprisoned me for posting satire.

Has Zuckerberg?

Internet ban = imprisonment and a human rights violation according to certain HNers lmaooo

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by scotuswroteus »

jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

>plus it puts a geopolitical adversary in control of the data, countless devices, and a media channel central to the current cultural zeitgeist.

You should interrogate your assumption that the government inside the state lines is less "adversarial" to everyone's interests than the one outside state lines, even at a level of geopolitics.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Xeoncross »

okasaki wrote: post #723
Xeoncross wrote: post #721

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US isn't rounding thousands (millions actually?) of civil, political, religious, and other kinds of dissenters and imprisoning, reeducating, or killing them. That's kind of a big difference here. The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people. Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad. Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

Does the US have dissidents?

Half the US seems to be dissidents depending on who you ask - but they aren't being rounded up and sent to reeducation camps or having their organs harvested.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ncphil »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #336
blitz_skull wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment seems in bad faith. I think it’s pretty clear this conversation wasn’t about killing civilians so the comment about “whatever necessary” probably wasn’t intended to include violations of the Geneva convention. Just saying.

It’s not clear considering that the US has been engaging in various military conflicts of dubious legitimacy to keep its status for many years.

At least they "think" that they're maintaining their status. Check back at mid-century when things _really_ start to fall apart and see where the US and those who control it are.
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