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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by Zanneth »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #28

Good for him. These companies touting their solutions for creating a more connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since the pandemic hit. They're just fine. Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people than the loss of in-person collaboration opportuniti…

A majority of the work on M1 was completed before the remote work arrangements started.

(Source: I worked on that project at Apple.)

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by Zanneth »

bluescrn wrote: post #580
malwarebytess wrote: post #483

Warning: Hot Take. I genuinely believe many people who prefer working in an office versus at home have unfulfilling social lives or bad home lives. The social dynamics, competition, in physical offices fills the void in their lives. Also seems like most of the people clamoring for a return to the office are also climbers & middle managers. For some work a physical presence is required not just preferable, but for mos…

It's not about the office, it's about the commuting, which can often increase the length of the working day by 25% or more, and can add a thoroughly miserable start and end to that day (stuck in traffic, or on delayed/overcrowded trains), and make life seem much worse even if you're doing enjoyable work with great people in a really nice office. Offices have their pros and cons (WFH can be a horribly lonely experienc…

Commuting is not the only part of work life that has an impact on the environment. It is dramatically less efficient to heat/cool thousands of separate homes throughout the day as opposed to one large office building. Remote work could actually be much worse for the environment.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by mmmpop »

Clubber wrote: post #691
mmmpop wrote: post #672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person not necessarily opposed to labor unions, I'm curious as to how the previous post was hyperbolic? Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal, so let's not act like union folks are all saints. Somewhat relevant: https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/denver-fir...

>Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal What do you base this on? Movies? Telling someone to strap on a helmet isn't a threat of violence to a reasonable person. Putting a stuffed rat on a ledge near someone's bed is also not a threat of violence. If it had a noose or something, you'd have a better argument. Here's actual violence done against picketers and looked the other way by police in Ala…

Sure, that's all bad stuff, I agree.

But cross a picket-line or hire on as a scab during a strike in a small town and you'd best watch your back... hence the motivation for the "wear a helmet" comment. My hometown was founded on steel and railroads and I knew of more than one person growing up that got jumped for not toeing the line and playing ball with the union.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by zmmmmm »

woevdbz wrote: post #666
zmmmmm wrote: post #258

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> it is really hard to find a company that doesn't try to cram you into an open plan office with at least half a dozen people exactly I'd be fine to go into the office but don't be under the illusion I'm going to accept materially worse working conditions in order to do it. I guess it isn't the same for everyone, but my home office is a very high bar to beat and it makes a real difference to my productivity and menta…

I'm with you there, it just happens not to be the same with everyone. Some folks have very complicated home situations, living with family they don't get along with, living with roommates that are fun, loud, and work for competitors, living with boyfriend/girlfriend that they're having a falling out with, etc. Some folks have demons of their own that they can't deal with without social pressure. People with alcohol a…

thanks, your points are really well made

It's an interesting aspect of the whole situation that many people currently are in living arrangements that they may never have planned if they thought remote working was on the cards. We definitely have to be sensitive to those that have highly adverse circumstances, especially where that translates to being yet another form of discrimination or reinforcement of privilege.

Going forward I can see this being quite transformative for society in general as people seek out living arrangements that favor WFH as it becomes normalised. I feel like housing that offers segregated spaces for work and living etc are going to be highly prioritised.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by bagacrap »

dafty4 wrote: post #445
01100011 wrote: post #371

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This may change soon. Meta and Netflix reportedly have hiring freezes in place now. Other companies are cutting staff. The later half of 2022 may bring significant changes to the job market(along with many other things).

Thanks for posting the heads-up re: Meta and Netflix; in the latter case I’m not surprised (or maybe they could just reduce the obscenely high salaries they overpay so they can feel superior to other members of FAANG, which doesn’t really fool anyone about their engineering prowess (they’re a content company, not an engineering/product/big-cloud company like the others, and everyone knows it). That would also allow t…

Uber

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by Clubber »

mmmpop wrote: post #723
Clubber wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal What do you base this on? Movies? Telling someone to strap on a helmet isn't a threat of violence to a reasonable person. Putting a stuffed rat on a ledge near someone's bed is also not a threat of violence. If it had a noose or something, you'd have a better argument. Here's actual violence done against picketers and looked the other way by police in Ala…

Sure, that's all bad stuff, I agree. But cross a picket-line or hire on as a scab during a strike in a small town and you'd best watch your back... hence the motivation for the "wear a helmet" comment. My hometown was founded on steel and railroads and I knew of more than one person growing up that got jumped for not toeing the line and playing ball with the union.

I see what you are saying. Yes, violence begets violence, certainly. I would also argue that while not defending the morality, the violence against scabs are done by rogue individuals while violence against picketers are coordinated by using companies known for strikebreaking. The company typically yields a much stronger threat of violence than any individual union individual can, and has more sympathy of the "law."

The history of it is quite fascinating. Here's an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_violence_in_the_Uni...

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by mmmpop »

Clubber wrote: post #727
mmmpop wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, that's all bad stuff, I agree. But cross a picket-line or hire on as a scab during a strike in a small town and you'd best watch your back... hence the motivation for the "wear a helmet" comment. My hometown was founded on steel and railroads and I knew of more than one person growing up that got jumped for not toeing the line and playing ball with the union.

I see what you are saying. Yes, violence begets violence, certainly. I would also argue that while not defending the morality, the violence against scabs are done by rogue individuals while violence against picketers are coordinated by using companies known for strikebreaking. The company typically yields a much stronger threat of violence than any individual union individual can, and has more sympathy of the "law."…

I'm in Montana these days and just finished a book by Michael Punke about the Butte Mining Disaster. It does a fairly good job of pointing out how basically we're all assholes when you get down to it.

This guy sticks out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Haywood

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

askonomm wrote: post #710
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #552

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a co-working is simply an office paid by you instead of the one the company paid for you.

Actually in most cases the company pays for your co-working. At least that's my experience working for fully-remote or mostly-fully-remote companies.

Sorry for being so late to answer.

That's still an office paid by your company, with all the benefits that go to the company.

The company I work for before opening a new office for their employer has to provide:

- security

- daily cleanings

- insurances for all the people working there

- reception

- authentication and authorization (badge readers etc.)

- secure connectivity and storage

- water, beverages, sometimes a cantine if the office is big enough.

That's by contract (at least my contract).

If they are really going through the route of paying for your coworking they should sign a contract, which means a lot of bureaucracy and most of all it would force the employer to always use the same space for at least a few years.

So the better way is to ask for a pay rise to pay it by yourself.

If you can pull it out.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by Handytinge »

fivre wrote: post #164
Aeolun wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have much more bargaining power, yes. But you’ll also be bargaining as part of a group that includes Joe Useless, who sits in the next cubicle over and ostensibly fulfills the same role as you. The company may be happy to give you a 10% raise, but they’d rather lower JU’s salary by 10%, so they won’t budge on your demands for an increase, since it’d also apply to him.

The company doesn't want to give anyone a raise. They are not happy to give anyone a raise. Companies do not willingly increase their costs, full stop. You could maybe make an argument that companies may increase wages for high performers for retention reasons, because needing to replace valuable employees is a large, if somewhat intangible cost, but that's pretty iffy. Companies are made up of and managed by humans,…

> They are not happy to give anyone a raise. Companies do not willingly increase their costs, full stop.

Sounds like you haven't worked for many good companies.

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