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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

lenkite wrote: post #717
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have proof that Trump tried to blackmail Zelensky into framing his political opponents by witholding aid they needed to defend themselves from Russia. When Putin started his invasion, Trump praised him for being smart, then praised him again, suggesting he'd captured a whole country for a small cost in sanctions. What do you think you're expressing when you say that Trump isn't a Putin puppet? That he's not made o…

You mean the claim that the Ukrainian President himself denied ? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-s... And what about Joe Biden's proud public boast that he threatened to withhold aid if a Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't fired ? (who was investigating Burisma - the company whose board Hunter biden was on.) https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-t... Anyways, it's pretty clear…

Yes, the person being blackmailed, said that the person blackmailing him, who was still in a position to blackmail him about the (now realised) invasion of his country, which is likely to end with his and his family's death, and potentially could be in the same position for four more years said there was no blackmail and specifically said

"“I don’t want to interfere in U.S. elections,”"

I don't find that decisive on the facts given everything else.

Stormy Daniels denied sleeping with Trump, because someone threatened the life of her child. It was and is still a true thing that happened.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by scarface74 »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #699
scarface74 wrote: post #608

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if you want to host your own video - pay for it.

Yeah, let's shut out all people who cannot afford that, or who don't have access to the global banking system.

So because you can’t afford something, that means it’s the responsibility of another private party to publish your video for free?

If you think it is a right that people should have, talk to your representative and get the government to create GovTube where anyone can post any type of conspiracy crap they desire.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by scarface74 »

headsoup wrote: post #690
scarface74 wrote: post #598

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Yes. There is nothing stopping Trump from creating his own video platform. He is supposedly a billionaire isn’t he?

And of course nothing from stopping Biden creating his own platform should the tables turn, right? It's true the large social platforms are privately owned and so they can censor to their hearts content, but given the obliquity and integration these largest platforms have in the social fabric, is that reasonable? Should they at least have clear moderation policies? It's an issue that needs some hefty discussion and e…

Yep, Biden and the DNC could fund their own site.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by native_samples »

w14 wrote: post #693

The UK is leading the charge for legislation [0] to force platforms to impose certain types of censorship. Youtube and the others are just getting ahead of curve. They have known what's coming since they were invited into No. 10 to discuss these issues with Theresa May and Amber Rudd in 2017. The legislation is based on the principle that everyone has the right to say what they want to say, but they have no right to…

Truly Orwellian double-think on display in that legislation. "Legal but must be censored", "you can speak but not be heard" etc.

The root cause of this is that our society has forgotten how to argue for free speech as a moral case. We've taken it for granted for so long, we can't remember why it's good. Meanwhile the enemies of it have spent years steadily attacking it, often with lies (e.g. the numerous fake claims of Twitter bots controlling elections).

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by scarface74 »

nextaccountic wrote: post #617
scarface74 wrote: post #597

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Should Trump’s “Truth” platform be allowed to “censor” political speech? There is nothing stopping Fox News/NewsMax/OAN from creating their own video hosting platform.

Yeah they could create a video platform, but until it gained the prominence of YouTube it would be just a niche hosting platform. I'm putting forward a view that YouTube has a status so powerful in global society that it should be held at a higher standard. But regarding your question, I actually think that there's a serious dysfunction here in the way Fox News can legally spread lies that are very damaging to societ…

So Fox News doesn’t have reach?

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by scarface74 »

odessacubbage wrote: post #683
scarface74 wrote: post #589

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The government censors. How is it not an unnecessary encroachment on liberty when the government tells a private entity what they must publish?

the fcc does that every single day.

The FCC has a say on what goes on over the public airways - not cable or the internet.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lenkite »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #721
lenkite wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the claim that the Ukrainian President himself denied ? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-s... And what about Joe Biden's proud public boast that he threatened to withhold aid if a Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't fired ? (who was investigating Burisma - the company whose board Hunter biden was on.) https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-t... Anyways, it's pretty clear…

Yes, the person being blackmailed, said that the person blackmailing him, who was still in a position to blackmail him about the (now realised) invasion of his country, which is likely to end with his and his family's death, and potentially could be in the same position for four more years said there was no blackmail and specifically said "“I don’t want to interfere in U.S. elections,”" I don't find that decisive on…

The transcript was released by the White House and there are no threats made to withdraw Ukrainian aid - quite unlike the explicit and damning public statement made by Biden to withdraw aid, which is also captured on Video - but fails to get any publicity whatsoever as its deeply embarrassing for the favoured media darling. You can continue to speculate further but evidence doesn't fit your claim.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trum...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

px43 wrote: post #646
mathogre wrote: post #584

Fuck YouTube. If they're going to control what news I get, I'll choose other than YouTube. I do not need them. I have read from both hard left and hard right, and am intelligent enough to make my own decisions about what makes sense. Let them play their games, whether silly or dangerous. I form my own opinions. Losers!

This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

The proper solution is either to educate that 40% of kick them off the internet (and hopefully out of voting booths, too)

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

Azurin wrote: post #712
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #692

Just to break up the angry posts self-radicalizing themselves: This is a good thing. Basically every media outlet mentioned here has a long history of publishing really big lies about important stuff they know to be false for monetary gain. The Hill had to quietly oust one of their own top propagandists recently because of how badly his obvious lies about Ukraine helping to steal the US election from Trump went down…

It's sad to see how many conservative"reeee muh freedom" is in HN. Hope they all get their Herman Cain Awards too

I dont want to be harsh, since you may well have lost people close to you because of this specific propaganda, but wishing further pain, misery, suffering and death on the victims of propaganda and their families isn't really cool.

Some things are complicated and murky, but there's fairly clear boundaries too sometimes.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by mark_l_watson »

native_samples wrote: post #724
w14 wrote: post #693

The UK is leading the charge for legislation [0] to force platforms to impose certain types of censorship. Youtube and the others are just getting ahead of curve. They have known what's coming since they were invited into No. 10 to discuss these issues with Theresa May and Amber Rudd in 2017. The legislation is based on the principle that everyone has the right to say what they want to say, but they have no right to…

Truly Orwellian double-think on display in that legislation. "Legal but must be censored", "you can speak but not be heard" etc. The root cause of this is that our society has forgotten how to argue for free speech as a moral case. We've taken it for granted for so long, we can't remember why it's good. Meanwhile the enemies of it have spent years steadily attacking it, often with lies (e.g. the numerous fake claims…

It absolutely blows my mind how many of my friends support soft censorship that supports their points of view.

I try to listen to podcasts, occasionally, that are contrary to my own beliefs, not because of free speech but rather to make sure that I don’t end up in a “bubble.”

Coincidentally, I listed to something by The Hill on YouTube last week and it was reasonably good because they had three people speculating on the future economy with slightly different points of view. Not great stuff but worth having on while I was cooking dinner. Also, as a liberal, there is a conservative think tank at Stanford University that I occasionally listen to, not always comfortable for me, but worth a little time every month.

Free speech, in supporting views different from own own, is so very important.

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