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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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While you've made valid points for consideration about the blue tribe's blindspots, you're riffing off a different definition of anti-social than I used. You're talking about larger appreciation of social conformity, where I'm talking about creating immediate conflict. Furthermore, US society is deeply rooted in individualism and so professing individualism is not leftist. In fact I'd say your framing does well to il…

> While you've made valid points for consideration about the blue tribe's blindspots, you're riffing off a different definition of anti-social than I used. I know—my point is that you’re using a quite liberal sense of what’s “anti-social.” > You're talking about larger appreciation of social conformity, where I'm talking about creating immediate conflict. During her confirmation hearing, Judge Ketanji Jackson Brown c…

> Why did [Judge Ketanji Jackson Brown] need to imply that she might have acted differently [during her confirmation hearing]

Because she was looking for approval from the Democratic Party? Are you asking why the Democratic Party cares about the opinions of the "activist left" ?

> But most of the US, from the Puritan-descended WASP northeast, to the Midwest, to the South, never struck me as especially individualist

Religion in the Northeast seems more like a token thing rather than a way of life (eg "Christmas and Easter Catholic"), and despite communal structures the entire US is still steeped in individualism. One of the current major political issues of the political right, anti-mask / anti-vaccine, rests mainly on appeals to individual freedom! It's front and center in the founding documents - "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It's creeping in here, but it just doesn't translate at all to sympathy to the convoy.

You could go live in a concentration camp and get forced experimental treatments, philosophically and metaphorically speaking. Respectfully. I suggest everyone listen to the darkhorse podcast with Weinstein, Malone, and Kirsch. Kirsch did more than just invent the laser mouse.

I don't really see how that is related to my comment.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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We're not even close to "all" territory. > The requirements changing for a job they may have had for decades is also a legitimate reason to be upset. People are fired all the time because their job requirements changed, or they were made redundant. Where have the mass protests been for that? > Let's not pretend there aren't legitimate concerns here. Some concerns are legitimate, other's are not. But occupying the nat…

> We're not even close to "all" territory. I said trending in that direction, I didn't say we were in or close to that territory. The idea behind protests is not just to move out of some conceptual territory, but also to stop movement into such territory if we're headed in that direction. > People are fired all the time because their job requirements changed, or they were made redundant. Where have the mass protests…

> The idea behind protests is not just to move out of some conceptual territory, but also to stop movement into such territory if we're headed in that direction.

No, the reason for these protests is a bunch of grown adults are scared of a safe and effective vaccine in a global pandemic, and are now terrorizing downtown Ottawa.

> When have citizens ever had to carry papers around to enjoy the benefits of full citizenship? Let's not pretend that the scenario we find ourselves in falls well within the boundaries of precedent.

Agreed. The scale of impact of this pandemic is without precedent. Thus the response is obviously without precedent as well. I don't know why you're surprised at that.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Source?

What, precisely, do you want proof of? Do you want a census of the people in the convoy by vaccination status?

That is exactly what I want. You made the claim that the 90% is not part of the convoy. I want to know where you are getting that information from.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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> The thing I'm trying to address is your claim that it's just fine and dandy for them to redirect all the money to charities because that's equivalent to what the original organizers were going to do anyway. It's not. Not just any charities, charities that were going to be chosen by the organizers, which is in line with the agreement the organizers accepted. I honestly don't understand how you can believe something…

> They're overt white supremacists. Do you have proof of that?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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what? why do people keep calling a person who endorsed Bernie Sanders right wing? can someone explain this to me?

There was a contingent of what might be called libertarians who supported Bernie but then went hard for Trump and shifted rightward. It doesn't make much sense to me except that they're both nominally anti-establishment (in different ways of course). You'll also note that I didn't actually call Rogan right wing, but it does seem that many/most of his listeners tilt right. The point I was making is that it's highly un…

"to me, it seems that he's just playing to an audience"? what audience? if you actually listen to his podcast its plain random... because of him i learned about Bernie Sanders and introduced me to Kyle Kulinski and other left leaning people, so i never understood why he is considered right wing by the media and people on twitter, he brings up wanting universal health care and basic income all the time, that's very far from right wing

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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what? why do people keep calling a person who endorsed Bernie Sanders right wing? can someone explain this to me?

If a trusted source (news) tells you Rogan is right wing and you don't hear anything to the contrary, it's easy to take that at face value and accept it. In fact based on human nature, a brain will actively resist anything to the contrary after hearing it enough times.

its crazy when they lie like this, it makes you wonder what other stuff they are lying about.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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> They're overt white supremacists. Do you have proof of that?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga...

This reads like a hit piece. Do you have a more neutral source?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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You’re going to be really upset then to think about the business organizations that receive tax breaks in order to influence politics. Many non-profits exist only for this purpose. The only reason abortion is a political issue, for example, is because of the outsized influence that tax exempt organizations have.

Are you implying that existence of these tax-exempt organizations and politicization of issues is a good thing? I don't see anything positive in tax breaks and tax code complexity in general as it is a method to obfuscate spendings and evade taxes, which creates all kinds of unintended consequences.

No, I am not implying that. Just noting its systemic and may as well be an intended feature of the system. At the very least, it's an intended consequence.

I can see positives in having the flexibility to tax things to discourage them, or to encourage behaviors. That's one of the best tools the government has to influence the public's behavior! (EG cigarette taxes). No assessment of the net-net benefit, merely pointing out the complexity of taxes does enable some good things as well.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga...

This reads like a hit piece. Do you have a more neutral source?

In what way is it a hit piece?

Would you consider one of the main organizers themselves to be a credible source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericanFascism2020/comments/snw7jn...

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