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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by throwaway73838 »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Yeah, it’s their free will to censor the content that they deliver. It’s also the consumers free will to have a problem with it. I don’t think anyone here is advocating for a legislative solution to this dispute. Spotify is making a financial/business decision, and the consumers are concerned with the product they are paying for.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nradov »

winternett wrote: post #695
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

If records of what people did and said are conveniently deleted from history, no one can be held accountable for what they say and do. The ideal that companies can do whatever they want is far too short sighted. The modern world is so stuck on a rigid definition of freedoms that conveniently changes when it doesn't serve the perspective it is being "preached" from. Platforms are contracted by their users, they are no…

Should I be prevented from deleting old social media posts if I no longer want to share that content with my followers?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by xyst »

hot take: if people do not like the actions that private corporations take on their platforms to protect their bottom lines. Then send your money to people that are working to build decentralized systems that do not have a corporate owner or answer to shareholders.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by newswasboring »

xyst wrote: post #723

hot take: if people do not like the actions that private corporations take on their platforms to protect their bottom lines. Then send your money to people that are working to build decentralized systems that do not have a corporate owner or answer to shareholders.

Is there a decentralized attempt at Spotify? That would be mind blowing

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by dionian »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't think it's illegal, i just think it's unamerican

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

If Dem's wonder why Trump win's in 2024 it's because of this type of thing.

The biggest political shift in history is happening right now.

There's been a 14% shift from Democrat to Republican in the PAST YEAR.

Censorship over open dialogue is always a short sighted solution and it turns people from colleagues who disagree into enemies.

Reference: https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kaashif »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

You don't understand why someone would want to have all episodes of their favourite podcast available in one place? Just because someone supports the free market doesn't mean they don't have preferences. Support of the free market just means that one wants buyers and sellers to be able to transact without coercion, it doesn't imply any specific opinion about the practices of a company.

I don't like bad products and don't want companies to do stuff like this. I don't particularly care about Joe Rogan, but I've had a hell of a time finding episodes of various TV shows that have had episodes removed (Community, South Park, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) from services, and eventually I just end up pirating that episode.

I don't think what Spotify's doing should be illegal but that doesn't mean I have to like it or that I can't say they're making their product worse.

If you are referring to people who want Spotify to be forced to do things by law, like keep episodes up (which would be bizarre), then I'm against that too.

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Post by elliekelly »

coldtea wrote: post #588
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. Perhaps they have other principles too, not just the free market as the be-all end-all. Not to mention that this isn't the free market operating freely -- it's corporations being told what to do by pressure groups (as opposed to cust…

> Not to mention that this isn't the free market operating freely -- it's corporations being told what to do by pressure groups (as opposed to customers of those corporations voting with their wallets, e.g. by not listening to Rogan).

Aren’t artists and content creators Spotify customers, too? They use Spotify’s platform to sell and distribute their content. We consider both the buyer and the seller to be customers of eBay. We consider both the app user and the app developer to be customers of Apple. Why do you not also consider the content creators customers “voting with their wallet” in this situation?

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Post by tssva »

kova12 wrote: post #686
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

There is a concept that we don't interfere with each others lives. If someone has views you don't like, and he never forces them on you, you gotta let it go. For example, a bunch of people chose Jesus, and an other bunch chose Mohammed. Long standing tradition so far was to accept this, and let it go, because alternative is a literal war. Violence. Nobody wants violence, so there are even laws that make it illegal to…

"For example, a bunch of people chose Jesus, and an other bunch chose Mohammed. Long standing tradition so far was to accept this, and let it go, because alternative is a literal war."

The long-standing tradition has been war. The long-standing tradition has been war even among those that made the same choice but think that means something slightly different.

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Post by jart »

nomilk wrote: post #308
snotrockets wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

By your logic, would Ignaz Semmelweis, Giordano Bruno, or Nicolaus Copernicus be allowed on a mainstream platform today? And does that even matter to you? Their ideas were so shocking they weren't only banned , but were made pariahs of, thrown into asylums, and burned. The best we can do is hear different ideas with an open mind, and use our logic and discernment to come to our own judgements. Since the quality of ju…

Nicolaus Copernicus: Shock Jock
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