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Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Just curious, if you owned YouTube with an overhead of tens of millions of dollars per year, how would you monetize it without ads/commercials, just to even keep up with operational costs?

I'm honestly appalled by the price for YouTube Premium. It's $15/month. That's the same as HBO Max, almost twice of Disney+ and more expensive than F1TV or Showtime which come in around $10. Per month this is 50% more than Prime! Only my UltraHD Netflix plan is more expensive. This price to me is outrageous, given that Google, unlike everyone else listed here, doesn't provide any of the content and their services is…

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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Youtube, especially, turns into a whole different experience. Ad in front of every video makes it impossible to quickly browse and sort through videos. I might watch just a few seconds and then go to the next one. When ads are enabled, the experience is so painful that I'm not likely to use Youtube this way any more. I have to watch an ad before I've made the decision if I want to watch the video.

Well, you can buy YouTube premium and have no ads.

In fact, if they double the ads on YouTube, and put ads on YouTube Premium, you can buy YouTube DoublePremium and have no ads.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Youtube, especially, turns into a whole different experience. Ad in front of every video makes it impossible to quickly browse and sort through videos. I might watch just a few seconds and then go to the next one. When ads are enabled, the experience is so painful that I'm not likely to use Youtube this way any more. I have to watch an ad before I've made the decision if I want to watch the video.

Well, you can buy YouTube premium and have no ads.

I can't in good faith give so much money per month to a company with such terrible user and creator support.

No visible dislikes.

DCMA takedowns that put the burden of proof on creators rather than destructive soulless auto-claim bots.

God help you if you lose your account.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I have a list of adblockers I use, hope it helps other people here: Desktop: - Pi-Hole (network wide adblocking) - AdGuard (device wide adblocking) Web browsers: - uBlock Origin - uMatrix (not developed anymore but still works, can also use NoScript) - SponsorBlock (blocks in-video sponsor segments, intros, outros, filler tangents, etc in YouTube) Mobile: - Firefox for Android / Kiwi Browser (both have web extension…

I can add https://blokada.org/ to the "Mobile" section.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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> because of the automation I think that's a really arbitrary line. Screenreaders skip ads. Scrapers/apis skip ads. There isn't a clear division between an automated tool and a tool with manual intervention. In some ways this feels like the same legalism that popped up in spam phone calls where to get around auto-dial rules businesses would have someone on their end sit in a room and press a button over and over to c…

> I think that's a really arbitrary line. Yeah - we're talking morals! You won't find a mathematical equation to define the moral line. > ad-blockers "steal" content from web-hosts Not sure who you're quoting there but it's not me. I don't think it's stealing, I just think it's morally dubious. I didn't say anything like I thought it was criminal. > Is it fine for me to pay an assistant to cut up my magazine after I…

> Some people think automated (as in drone) weapons are immoral but a soldier acting on the ground is ok. Some people think automated speeding cameras are unfair but a police officer with a speed gun is ok.

Not for arbitrary reasons though, there are tangible effects from automation that we worry about in those systems. We draw distinctions because there are parts of the manual process that we can point to as valuable.

We worry about automated weapons because they take a safety check out of the system. We kind of are saying what I mentioned above, that we want killing to be kind of difficult and emotionally hard to do. But that doesn't map to ads, unless you're saying that one of our goals is that we want blocking ads to be emotionally draining/difficult. But I don't think that's what anyone believes about ads.

Similarly, people don't oppose automated speed cameras because they think automation is a moral line, they oppose taking humans out of the decision making process for whether or not someone should get a ticket. But this doesn't really map to ads unless we think it's important that humans have to consciously decide to skip content, which... why would we think that? Some people also don't trust the automated cameras to be reliable. This also doesn't really map to adblockers, because adblockers aren't being used by other people to make decisions about you.

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> Not sure who you're quoting there but it's not me. I don't think it's stealing

I should phrase this differently, that's totally my bad.

I can't think of any way of defining an implicit social contract between website operators and consumers that wouldn't also define an implicit social contract between consumers and advertisers themselves. It is weird to me that people think it's morally dubious to do things that deprive website operators of profit, but that it's not morally dubious to do things that deprive advertisers of profit.

If we say that advertisers don't have a right to ask us to look at content, I'm not sure why website operators should be different.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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> Open ended question, is there a solution? Regulation. It's a harsh measure, but I doubt there is another one. The last 20 years people tried to find alternative solutions. We have pay-walls, we have crowdfounding, we have various subscription models, I fail to see a solution that hasn't been tried, but yet every single year we get exposed to more ads. It seems extremly unlikely that there is something that could re…

If any regulation about ads ever comes into existence it will be against adblockers, making them illegal or something. Or do you happen to have billions and power and influence to lobby like crazy?

That could happen, but it is a nightmare scenario. It would essentially attack the agency you and your browser has; in effect, it would obligate your browser -- and your computer -- to do as a server tells. Having full control over your own computer would be illegal. It also raises questions about whether such restrictions would cover your network. For example, would it also become illegal to null-route ad servers' IP addresses on your local network?

Of course, I wouldn't put it past regulators. In fact, copyright in EU comes close to doing exactly what the above would require.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I feel that there is a generational gap between Youtube users that correlates with whether they will pay for premium or not. People in their late 20s and 30s who remember Youtube as a catch-all location for lo-fi homemmade videos with few ads may not feel that YT premium is worth it, particularly if they already use adblockers, and don't use it much on mobile (where adblocking isn't possible without modded APKs). Thi…

Huh? Firefox on mobile supports ublock origin. Or do you mean the app? Don't use the app.

The app works a lot better, though.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I doubt very much the author experiences the web he claims to. There are many websites that requires ad blockers to be disabled, and unless you really don't care about a large part of the web (incidentally, the one he's talking about, the one with ads), there's no way to get that experience.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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it is abuse, all non requested & for-profit message is abuse.

It is not abuse. You are using the platform, the platform is monetized through ads. You requested it when you agreed to view any content on their platform.

A better world is possible.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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When there's a law that makes adblocking illegal. I will gladly leave the web behind forever. But to equate adblocking to stealing is hyperbolic nonsense. And to out right call me a thief is insulting. Looks like I struck a nerve; or maybe this whole thread did. Maybe you're in ad tech? I hope you are. I hope you read through this entire thread and soak in just how rotten your industry is; so reviled even here on HN.

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> You think you are entitled to free pizza.

When companies SEO-shove it in my face and almost literally beg me to take it.. oh I don't feel entitled but it's hard to avoid. Stop shoving it in my face and I won't take it.

> And then reality hits: There was never any free pizza. And the pizza is gone. Along with the jobs and everything else it created.

So clickbait, SEO spam sites, content farms, and other trash that scream "free pizza" and hand you a bag full of ads will be gone from the internet? This is like cure for cancer, I look forward to it!

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