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Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Post by joegreen »

rpaddock wrote: post #689
penteract wrote: post #617

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In the book, it's impossible to act on information from the future, whereas in the film that clearly happens in the phone call near the end. This means that if the daughter had died in a climbing accident in the film, the mother would have to have chosen to let that happen/not warn her, whereas to avoid the disease, the only option would have been not to have the child. In the book, that wasn't an option; learning th…

"...impossible to act on information from the future..." Might want to read: Feeling the Future: Experimental Evidence for Anomalous Retroactive Influences on Cognition and Affect Daryl J. Bem Cornell University https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/psp-a0021524.pdf This work has been replicated many times by others because no one believed it. Also look up Decision Augmentation Theory.

That paper was an interesting read :) I googled a bit about it and found possible explanation https://replicationindex.com/2018/01/05/bem-retraction/

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Post by 434123r32f »

jbay808 wrote: post #363

I wonder if this, too, is a symptom of near-zero interest rates. With an interest rate of zero, future cash flows are valued equal to present cash flows. That increases the net present value of recurring payments (approaching infinity, actually). So it becomes increasingly attractive for companies to discount the initial sale price in exchange for a recurring payment. In a higher interest rate environment, that would…

Wouldn't future inflation increases drive down the value of those recurring revenue streams?

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Post by ryan-allen »

Sitio wrote: post #683
david-gpu wrote: post #647

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> the hard choice here was to decide to have a child even knowing that [they] will die Knowing that my children will suffer and die is the main reason why I didn't want to have any. Now I have two. Funnily, it's the same reason my own mother didn't want to have kids either. Yet, here we are. I suspect it is a pretty common feeling.

I still think it's the right decision not to have kids. I myself would prefer not to been born (while my life is relatively easy) In dune there is a story part were the ruler knows what he needs to do but also realizes that he is not strong enough and knows that his son has to fullfil it (I forgot what it is about) but I feel as soon as we achieve the ability to self determine things like if we want to make kids, we…

> In dune there is a story part were the ruler knows what he needs to do but also realizes that he is not strong enough and knows that his son has to fullfil it (I forgot what it is about)

I think you're referring to the Golden Path [0]

[0] https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/The_Golden_Path

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Post by pscoutou »

npteljes wrote: post #355
ptudan wrote: post #21

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This happened to me with zipcar once. Truly sucked

Would you please share the story?

Probably similar to this - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/zipcar-int...

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Post by brokenmachine »

rswail wrote: post #661
brokenmachine wrote: post #595

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>I have NO IDEA how anyone managed the jump from this story about Toyota to a totally imaginary anti-Apple rant Because Apple are the nickel-and-dime masters . From removing headphone sockets in order to sell stupidly expensive wireless headphones, to stupidly overpriced soldered memory and storage upgrades, to the 30% appstore fee scam, to disallowing local backups to promote their iCloud storage racket, to unrepair…

LOL, as someone that adopted/adapted to the Apple world when I moved from a Linux laptop to an Apple Mac Mini (for development), this is nonsense. The removal of the headphone socket, from their perspective, was to move people to wireless headphones. Yes, it was a move everyone hated, but it didn't drive people across to Google/Samsung. The 30% app store fee is a problem for the developers, not the consumers. I can m…

>The 30% app store fee is a problem for the developers, not the consumers.

Like Epic? No Fortnite on iOS. Tell me how all of that is not bad for consumers.

>The removal of the headphone socket, from their perspective, was to move people to wireless headphones.

Which only serves Apple's interests. There is zero reason they couldn't have a headphone socket in addition to wireless. If their wireless was so compelling people would happily switch without these artificial self-serving incentives.

Samsung S10 5G has headphone socket, is waterproof and is 7.9mm thick vs iPhone 13 which is 7.7mm. That was just the first phone I could find, there's probably thinner ones with headphone sockets. So the thickness argument is ridiculous.

>Unrepairable devices where you can't even replace a battery (I assume you mean iPhones) is to reduce their manufacturing cost and to make the device more reliable.

5c for a connector on such an expensive phone? And no, it's their laptops as well, because Apple. Only serves Apple's interests, of course.

> Same nonsense about the displays. The displays include the facetime cameras and infrastructure, which is intimately tied to the security enclave. Having those two bound together makes the device more secure.

Untrue and only serves Apple's interests. Security theater and, you guessed it, only serves Apple's interests.

>Calling disallowing WebGPU as somehow creating "victims" is nonsense.

Untrue and only serves Apple's interests. Apple products are crippled and have so many arbitrary limitations that always conveniently serve Apple's interests.

You have drunk gallons of the kool aid.

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Post by Fezzik »

edmundsauto wrote: post #559
Fezzik wrote: post #152

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Subaru has the same thing on their new cars - subscribe annually to Starlink or no remote start for you! I live in a winter wonderland where remote start would be a dream but no way I am paying a cent for this feature. I’ll have to look in to the after market options.

You’re not interested in paying for something that provides you with very clear value? So instead you wil go pay money for a different system to bolt on? I don’t mean to criticize, but I have to admit that I cannot empathize.

Would you find it appropriate for automakers to charge a monthly fee to be able to simply start an automobile you bought? If no, then why are you okay with a monthly fee to do so remotely? It’s rather straightforward - you’re either for usury or against it, I guess. This is usury.

(usury is not exactly the right word, but it’s the best I could think of at the moment).

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Post by nyolfen »

mauvehaus wrote: post #431
brokenmachine wrote: post #392

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It's too late now for her of course, but you can take the headrest off the seat and use the metal prongs to smash the windows to get out.

Having watched a burly firefighter take three good swings with an axe to bust out a window (to get to the hood release of an unattended car fire), I am extremely skeptical of this claim. Somebody on YouTube tested those emergency hammers and concluded they're basically useless. If you really want to break a tempered glass car window (I.e., any of them but the windshield), their recommendation was an automatic center…

breaking the windshield is the cheapest option to replace

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Post by brokenmachine »

null_object wrote: post #657
brokenmachine wrote: post #595

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>I have NO IDEA how anyone managed the jump from this story about Toyota to a totally imaginary anti-Apple rant Because Apple are the nickel-and-dime masters . From removing headphone sockets in order to sell stupidly expensive wireless headphones, to stupidly overpriced soldered memory and storage upgrades, to the 30% appstore fee scam, to disallowing local backups to promote their iCloud storage racket, to unrepair…

> They are usually the first to do every terrible consumer-hostile action because their victims are locked-in suckers with Stockholm syndrome whose devices don't work with any other companies devices or accessories. > any conversation about companies being assholes will skew towards discussing Apple, because they are the biggest and most successful assholes. It's a pity I'm unable to downvote answers to my post becau…

My thoughts exactly about your worthless comment.

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Post by VRay »

yumraj wrote: post #551
dylan604 wrote: post #541

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The only person in the movies I'm aware of that went to jail for breaking the laws for removing tags was Pee-wee Herman. However, I'm truly shocked that someone asked "how come in a movie...".

> However, I'm truly shocked that someone asked "how come in a movie...". I know it sounds stupid to even ask that, but my question/concern came from that for someone who is not aware of such a thing, after watching movies I would have never even thought to look for it had I ever been in such a situation. Referring to also the story above about the women who was stuck in the car. So, if all is true, then the movies i…

While we're on the subject, silencers don't turn handguns silent, gas tanks don't explode when shot, and you can die from being buried chest-deep in sand

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Post by brokenmachine »

lh7777 wrote: post #615
brokenmachine wrote: post #593

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Don't forget disallowing local backups for no reason other than moneygrubbing. $3/month for 200Gb is reasonable in your opinion, but people who don't buy Apple can buy a 2T drive for $50.

When did Apple start disallowing local backups? I'll admit I haven't tried recently -- there's no data worth backing up on my iPhone anyway -- but it definitely worked just fine a few years ago. Apple's "Back up iPhone" support page[1] agrees with me. [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/back-up-iphone-iph3ec...

I was talking about encrypted laptop backups where only the customer has the key.

I'm not all over the details because there were so many reasons for me not to go Apple that this was just the tip of the iceberg.

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