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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by crossroadsguy »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #652
crossroadsguy wrote: post #517

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There are many reasons I’m in Apple’s walled garden but a sane phone size is simply the biggest. I sometimes think about what I’m going to get after 12 mini that I’m using is done for :) Because there are reports that Apple is done with this screen size segment.

Apple just released a 13 mini, is that not in the same screen size segment?

Yes, they did. Exact same dimensions except the thickness (which is fine I'd have preferred a thicker 12 mini with much more battery).

Thing is I bought 12 mini 3 weeks ago (replaced my 4 years old iPhone 7). It was way cheaper than 13 mini at the time of that sale. Also the only thing important for me in 13 mini better than 12 mini was battery which isn't that significant a difference imho.

I hope to use 12 mini for at least 3 more years. Wouldn't want to buy a 13 mini to replace a 12 mini then. I would want a 15 or 16 mini at that time (or equivalent).

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by throwawaybbqed »

MildlySerious wrote: post #675
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #644

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> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect. FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty , There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers. • They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, The…

Tangential, but the first thing I noticed is that this site itself greets me in my preferred language, and allows setting my region separately, at the top of the page. The Pixel site sets the language based on geography and does not allow changing it without changing the region, which comes with a warning about delivery and currency conversion. One of these makes me feel understood and accounted for as a potential cu…

I pay for a bunch of google services (Google One, YouTube premium) and for the life of me, have not been able to get my country changed. After some time with tech support (was shocked I was able to get someone), the conclusion was to use the play store ON AN ANDROID DEVICE to try to change my country. Quite strange if you use google services without an android device. It doesn't matter if I'm an edge case. They need to support their customer.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by leephillips »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #644
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect. FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty , There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers. • They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, The…

Looks nice, but it has a notch → dealbreaker.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by L_226 »

npteljes wrote: post #713
Gustomaximus wrote: post #712

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I wonder if that is because they are about to release the Fairphone 4 and sold out of the last. You'd think they'd shut off the orders though if that were the case. Edit: Checked their shop and now says Out of Stock: https://shop.fairphone.com/en/fairphone-3-plus You might have gotten unlucky on timing right at the end of orders.

The website simply says "Temporarily out of stock"

I ordered before v4 was released, and I also contacted them about a month ago to ask for a refund but was told I could not do so until the mandatory 8 week estimated delivery window had passed.

I'm not mad, but it is obvious to me that they had no capability or intention to fulfil my order and were just hanging onto the €. They also sent me an email (before I cancelled) saying I could turn my current order into credit for a v4 preorder.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by washadjeffmad »

hocuspocus wrote: post #345
krzyk wrote: post #251

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People will never learn. You don't preorder Pixels, there are always better deals on Black Friday (literally in few weeks, just a week after Pixel start shipping). Never take preorders, especially with Pixels. (learned that hard with Pixel 3).

Not true with last year's Pixels in several European countries. We got $200 Bose headphones during preorders. There was never a better time to buy them after that. Probably the same thing with the Pixel 6/6P this year.

I think that was a loss leading tactic to encourage sales. Google can't gauge an early-adopter market that isn't buying their products.

Pixels are more expensive in Europe and no Bose headsets were ever included in the US version. If it weren't something they intended to entice Europeans, wouldn't they have provided a similar deal elsewhere?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by DCKing »

ablekh wrote: post #560
DCKing wrote: post #535

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That’s all great - but don’t lure people too much into a false sense of security. While your Nexus 6 may run a shiny new version of Android, underneath it runs a crusty old 2017 kernel full of holes of different sizes. The community is great, but vendor support remains important. LineageOS and other projects can’t fix things in kernels they can’t compile - they can only provide security updates for open source compon…

> underneath it runs a crusty old 2017 kernel full of holes of different sizes > LineageOS and other projects can’t fix things in kernels they can’t compile I think that you're wrong on this, that is unless you decided to use term "kernel" above too liberally, referring to all software running on a device. AFAIK, alternative Android images, such as LineageOS, include relevant - and quite up-to-date! - AOSP common ker…

No, I’m talking about the Linux kernel. You can check this for yourself. Take a look at the roms distributed on LineageOS as the example project and see if they include kernels that are up to date in any way. For older phones outside of vendor support, those kernels will always be out of date.

Some diligent LineageOS projects are known to incorporate some open source kernel fixes sometimes, or grab newer blobs from other phones from other devices. But there’s only so much to they can do. In general, it’s true to say that older devices with community Android support are not completely up to date - the kernels are old, and vendor drivers are not getting updated. Outside of making big usability concessions in projects like Replicant, the community can’t do much here.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by akc3n »

kaba0 wrote: post #172
nextos wrote: post #163

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If you use a third-party ROM such as the excellent GrapheneOS, in practice you get fully featured updates for really really long. With that said, open source ROMs don't take advantage of some features such as the Tensor SoC, and therefore the camera stops performing so good.

Graphene has a specific sandbox for google play services, so you can continue to run the google pixel camera app (which can presumably run the same way as under the official OS) But also, it has a good hardware ISP that will also improve image quality by itself.

GrapheneOS is working on its new Camera app, which will soon replace the bundled AOSP camera app.

For more info: https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1450746282176303107

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by DCKing »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #644
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect. FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty , There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers. • They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, The…

I love Fairphone’s promise, but execution is another thing. Fair warning here is that I’ve seen the experience with a Fairphone 3 up close, and it wasn’t up to my standards in terms of camera and software bugs (caller ID has not worked for months), let alone the barebones hardware they ship. I hope they get there, but the Fairphone 3 certainly wasn’t it for me.

What I don’t understand about Fairphone is how they will deliver these updates. Fairphone, like others, uses Qualcomm chips. Qualcomm supports their chips only for three years (four years for recent ones, but not the ones FP is using). This is what held Google back to ship reasonable security updates on Pixel devices so far. How can a small company like Fairphone convince Qualcomm to make more updates if Google couldn’t? Or will they just end up shipping incomplete security updates, like a community project?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by MisterSandman »

lrae wrote: post #720
ink404 wrote: post #519

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There's a good video he's featured in discussing this issue https://youtu.be/9V0lXIK9DZQ

Funny to see him in that video, with him getting begged by his viewers to cover the CSAM scanning controversy on every video for weeks - but he ignored it. Wonder why.

I don't think there's anything nefarious going on. MKBHD is a "cool tech bro", and he knows that, and that is what he excels in. He isn't particularly great at talking about more niche, meta topics, until they hit the mainstream. His recent Right to Repair video shows this, and it took him YEARS to make that video - but it's also one of the best.

FWIW, he does talk about CSAM and is definitely aware of its pitfalls on his podcast, so it's not like he's blindly banging the drums.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by a_imho »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #644
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect. FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty , There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers. • They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, The…

Maybe I'm missing something but it looks like 4x more expensive than some equally specced Chinese phone?
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