If you are a woman you can easily counter this behavior by labelling it and saying that you don't have a porcelain skin. Bonuspoints if you laugh about a guy giving you super bad feedback and how this did not bother you. Putting people at ease around you (especially customers) is a critical entrepreneurial skill. You can't blame people for being cautious when a lot of people are buying into victim-narratives and conv…
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#722Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's more like reverse sexism here. I totally get the behaviour here. You simply don't want to be on the receiving end of potential backlash when you're just trying to help someone. The calculus being you feel as if you might make a genuine remark only to receive a response interpreting said remark as the product of sexism e.g "out of persons A and B, I think B should run the company" where A is a woman and B is a ma…
One of the toughest things about discrimination is being able to prove it. I'm a white man, but I spent time living in Japan where I was an obvious minority. Some situations were clear to me that I was being treated a particular way because of my race. But then others were not so clear cut. For example, one time I was talking in Japanese with a group and someone kept repeating what I said like "He said...". I was get…
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#723I have been extremely fortuante that women have always found me very attractive and there is not a single job I've had where female co-workers didn't make comments at work which would not have been seen as extremely inappropriate the other way around. Even when I was 19 and I got my first job some 30+/40+ year old female co-workers heavily flirted with me in the most inappropriate way. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed it…
Indeed; I couldn't agree more. Although I'd like to add a note to this which complicates things a tad, namely that almost all men are stronger than almost all women.
I have met exactly one woman in my life that's physically stronger than me. I'm not especially strong, about average, and I'm already stronger than >98% of all women out there.
The sexual harassment you experienced was, mostly, without actual physical danger. While certainly inappropriate, frustrating, and wrong if things really escalated in a way you didn't want you always had the option to just stop them from doing whatever they were doing. A lot of women on the other hand don't really have this option.
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#724I'm reading a whole lot of frustrated comments here and totally get where the frustration is coming from. But in a different direction, I wanted to offer a thought for how to improve: Rule #1: Always ask people if they want feedback before you give it. Do it for men, women and non-binary folks. If you can, give hints about the topic ("hey, would you like feedback about your skills alignment with the problem?"). I've…
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#725Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, this scenario isn't exactly uncommon in the startup world. It happens all the time. But because she's a minority female and her competitor is a white man, it suddenly becomes an example of white supremacy and the patriarchy conspiring to oppress her. Doesn't this sort of thinking basically make these notions into a conspiracy theory? Every piece of evidence interpreted in a way that it supports the chosen narrati…
It's genuinely difficult to find the right balance, though. (Even as an individual, let alone as a society.) I don't think there's a clean solution; the only easily-applied heuristics are the stupid extreme ones, either assuming that everything that could possibly be Xism is Xism, or that nothing is Xism unless the perpetrator conveniently says something like 'women can't do maths' or 'I don't want you to work here b…
the sad part is something like this thread; where half [majority? like before Reddit hit critical mass] the people can/do understand what the difference is between, say, trolling and a dialectic or stoic whatchamacallit, and those that don't/can't.
as i think this thread seems to generally agree, those that can't then resort to this rhetoric you're talking about. you can see the same echoes in things like socialism and fascism. general bigotry. the backhand of misunderstanding.
where it really gets messy is when you have University graduates who can't understand these 'tropes'/dynamics/straight up logic getting opportunities ahead of an uneducated person that CAN understand those things, simply because they have that degree. it comes from the same place where racism and sexism are valid. where it's invalid you get this blame game. it's the hammer and the nail. those who can, do. those who can't, say... the Germans must have a word for this? man i wish i was more articulate cause i think we've all [as in hacker news minded type people?] got the words for this on the tips of our tongues. so much so that even out most basic know it's coming [the civil war chatter].
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#727Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's more like reverse sexism here. I totally get the behaviour here. You simply don't want to be on the receiving end of potential backlash when you're just trying to help someone. The calculus being you feel as if you might make a genuine remark only to receive a response interpreting said remark as the product of sexism e.g "out of persons A and B, I think B should run the company" where A is a woman and B is a ma…
One of the toughest things about discrimination is being able to prove it. I'm a white man, but I spent time living in Japan where I was an obvious minority. Some situations were clear to me that I was being treated a particular way because of my race. But then others were not so clear cut. For example, one time I was talking in Japanese with a group and someone kept repeating what I said like "He said...". I was get…
For those perceived as belonging to a privileged class, people feel free to (and in some cases relish in and are socially rewarded for) voicing their sexist opinions. A man has a lot less reason to dwell on whether a particular interaction was sexist against them, because when it does happen it is often overt.
Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up
#728I'm reading a whole lot of frustrated comments here and totally get where the frustration is coming from. But in a different direction, I wanted to offer a thought for how to improve: Rule #1: Always ask people if they want feedback before you give it. Do it for men, women and non-binary folks. If you can, give hints about the topic ("hey, would you like feedback about your skills alignment with the problem?"). I've…
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#729I'm not a woman but I'm a minority in other dimensions. I've always felt labels such as "female-led", "female-owned", " " do the opposite of what they intend to do. That is, they paint a picture that this minority group is not capable enough and need a lot of hand holding so everyone please bias your decisions towards their success to the detriment of other groups. If that's not enough, currently there are few reperc…
You can both recognize and encourage minority groups while persecuting racist crimes.
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#730I'm a bit sad about how eager everyone is jumping on the idea that "candid advice" will always be construed as possibly sexist. I'm from Germany and we are famously blunt, so maybe there is a cultural aspect to this, but to me candor != risk of sexism. If your advice is candid, it also shouldn't leave any ambiguity..."I'm unsure about you doing the pitch because the last N times you froze up and you seem nervous agai…
In the US, there are some men who will say that to a woman who wouldn't say the same thing to a man giving the same performance. Most women have experienced this at least once (watch someone criticize u fairly). So, some women will assume criticism that is happening in a sexist way when it isnt.
I've observed both many times - sexist criticism by a man (which would infuriate me if I were the woman), and a woman assuming that criticism was sexist when it was fair.
We also have a generally less blunt culture in the US.