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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Too many people support the development of powerful weapons without considering what happens when their enemies get a hold of them.

The “weapon” here is just basic conscientiousness. A publisher decided to stop publishing some books because they denigrate people, and eBay decided that they did not want to be facilitating the sale of books that denigrate people. We are not talking about an H-bomb - there is no power structure wielding a “cancel button” here.

>eBay decided that they did not want to be facilitating the sale of books that denigrate people

Objectively false. eBay responded to a headline and will continue to permit the sale of many works of similar nature because it is ultimately apathetic

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Upvoted you to counter the downvotes since this actually does add to the discussion. It's important to remember that the power of Mein Kampf lies in its status as a symbol, not its actual contents. Nobody actually reads Mein Kampf, nor have they ever (just like nobody actually reads the Bible unless they're actual preachers). It was (and still is) about the personality cult of a strong man and his message of power vi…

Lots of non-preachers read the Bible. Less people read mein Kampf but I know of some (some friends at school, some teachers at uni, some people on YouTube). I think Dr. Seuss was a bit of a symbol before, but now is definitely a symbol. I don't think your distinction here is very clean and your comment is elitist.

I've read Mein Kampf. No, I didn't turn into Nazi. Very interesting insight into a mind of a very misguided person.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Upvoted you to counter the downvotes since this actually does add to the discussion. It's important to remember that the power of Mein Kampf lies in its status as a symbol, not its actual contents. Nobody actually reads Mein Kampf, nor have they ever (just like nobody actually reads the Bible unless they're actual preachers). It was (and still is) about the personality cult of a strong man and his message of power vi…

Lots of non-preachers read the Bible. Less people read mein Kampf but I know of some (some friends at school, some teachers at uni, some people on YouTube). I think Dr. Seuss was a bit of a symbol before, but now is definitely a symbol. I don't think your distinction here is very clean and your comment is elitist.

> Lots of non-preachers read the Bible.

I was engaging in hyperbole to illustrate a point, not making an absolute statement.

Why do you think my comment is elitist?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#724

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The “weapon” here is just basic conscientiousness. A publisher decided to stop publishing some books because they denigrate people, and eBay decided that they did not want to be facilitating the sale of books that denigrate people. We are not talking about an H-bomb - there is no power structure wielding a “cancel button” here.

Ah yes, mein kampf is ok [1], but dr suess is a bridge too far. [Before anyone makes assumptions about my political views, i'm fine with publishers no longer publishing if tastes change, but i can't abide banning the sale of books in general. I don't really care what the content is] [1] https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MEIN-KAMPF-1939-Complete-Unabridged-...

Nobody banned the sale of these books. The only argument any of the people who are crying their eyes out could make here is: we need open source decentralized bookselling to ensure that people who don't care about the bad feelings people have about these books can still buy these books. Every other argument is just weak and quite frankly, herdmentality of the right wing political sphere.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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There's two kinds of freedom: freedom from and freedom to. These are some children's books that contain illustrations that some people find offensive and the publisher (and sellers) are deciding they no longer want to be associated with and sell to children. There are internet forums where the images are available and people can view them without the police knocking your door down, and I'm sure these are available in…

Nobody is forced to sell it, but ebay is a website that consumers list their stuff on. They’re clearly going out of their way to remove it. I don’t think that falls under ‘freedom to’, because nobody can list it going forward either.

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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As dis-heartening as this story is, compared to a couple of years ago, it is encouraging to see lots of comments from people beginning to wake up to what is going on with this craziness and not being modded here. Free speech is about protecting the right of the un-popular and views that some may find utterly repugnant. Why? because, as we are seeing with all of the woke craziness, when you don't stand up for everyone…

There's two kinds of freedom: freedom from and freedom to. These are some children's books that contain illustrations that some people find offensive and the publisher (and sellers) are deciding they no longer want to be associated with and sell to children. There are internet forums where the images are available and people can view them without the police knocking your door down, and I'm sure these are available in…

To be fair these books ought to live on Archive.org, because they are basically 'classics' at this point. Plenty of problematic and dated books live there. While it has some Dr. Seuss books, it doesn't have the problematic ones, but for at least historical reasons, it should.

https://archive.org/details/texts?and%5B%5D=dr+seuss&sin=

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#727

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Germany here, we banned Mein Kampf from being sold (used copyright law to do that). I once stood in a book shop (teenager, time to look at books but not enough money to buy them) and some skindheads wanted to buy it, it wasn't available. They went away. Providing context is good, but frankly also really difficult and why not just provide newer childrens books that are more inclusive.

Upvoted you to counter the downvotes since this actually does add to the discussion. It's important to remember that the power of Mein Kampf lies in its status as a symbol, not its actual contents. Nobody actually reads Mein Kampf, nor have they ever (just like nobody actually reads the Bible unless they're actual preachers). It was (and still is) about the personality cult of a strong man and his message of power vi…

> nobody actually reads the Bible unless they're actual preachers

I'm an ardent atheist, but I do actually read the bible from time to time. I enjoy to read the three gospels, and spot the differences between them. I also enjoy some songs in the psalms. Most of the rest is quite annoying, but I enjoyed Crumb's illustration of the first book of Genesis.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Thing is there is thin line between moderation/regulation and censorship.

The line is rather stark. eBay choosing not to facilitate the sale of books containing racist caricatures is not in the same ballpark as a government suppressing ideas. It’s not even the same sport.

This. I wouldn't even call it sport. What ebay does is sport: it's pretty inconsequential, but many people are mad about it. If the government would do it, it would be the opposite: very consequential, but probably not a lot of people who'd be mad.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#729

It’s bad enough that the company self-cancels the books. But now we also can’t even have a secondary market for what already exists. People have severely underestimated the influence these woke people have. In my company, we receive forms from clients asking us to survey our employees for their sexual preferences and racial categories, essentially based on the same nomenclature used in nazi Germany. It is completely…

> In my company, we receive forms from clients asking us to survey our employees for their sexual preferences and racial categories Wait, what? Is this legal?

I don’t think so. And of course we don’t conduct these surveys. But they are still requested from primarily US clients.
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