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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dang »

sillycon-valley wrote: post #711
dang wrote: post #697

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's against the rules to use this site primarily for ideological battle, and we ban accounts that do it, regardless of which ideology they're battling for. We have to, because it's the primary thing that destroys the curious conversation this site exists for. I've therefore banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. Yes, the rules are just the same for the opposite ideological side.…

You banned the account I replied to right? I was pointing out the conspiracy post... EDIT - because of rate limiting: I've posted in both technical articles and political articles. There have been a lot of political articles recently with the tech bans. I cannot help that. Most of my comments are about freedom of speech, not really a political ideology. I did not create an account to feed hellfire, I created an accou…

I looked at the other account's history the same way I looked at yours. The comment you replied to was not great, but the account hasn't been abusing the site overall, while yours has. If that assessment were the other way around, so would the ban be.

Creating an account just to feed hellfire on HN is obviously a bannable offense—it's a way of killing what this site is supposed to exist for. We need an immune system against that. The immune system doesn't care what color the flames are.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by specialist »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

Freedom Speeches™ is only for the in-group.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by specialist »

Barrin92 wrote: post #466
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

it's not surprising given that it's Mercer funded who basically make the Koch's look harmless. People shouldn't be fooled and take this notion of 'free-speech' that is being advocated by these platforms at face value. They're not about genuine free exchange, they're funded by and organised by very well networked organisations who use them to further extremist political causes.

Libertarian vs neoreactionary.

Whereas the Kochs want to be in charge of government, the Mercers want to eliminate government.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by andromeduck »

WalterSear wrote: post #610
rob74 wrote: post #410

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Well, free speech is a good thing, if done responsibly. In practice though, "free speech" as used by Parler means no moderation at all, so the most blatant lies and the craziest conspiracy theories can run unchecked. And since mainstream platforms are cracking down on extremists, your platform will inevitably become a haven (and echo chamber) for them, even if you didn't intend to be one.

There was/is extremely heavy moderation on Parler.

Yeah I checked it out for a bit a few days after it launched, scrolled around for 10-20 min to see if it'd turn out like twitter, 8chan, or the_donald in terms of discussion and it was really weird. IDK how to even describe it other than that it seemed to have that MLM esque or truman show vibe where everything seemed strangely personal but also really shallow and performative? None of the discussions I saw felt natural. It was all super identity focused with very little policy discussion let alone material disagreement.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by mr_overalls »

mleonhard wrote: post #580
macintux wrote: post #541

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Those Congresspeople were responding to, and enabling, the same terrorists. These are not two separate discussions.

Can you please explain how they were enabling the terrorists? Did the congresspeople get the Capitol Police to stand down? Even if they did, that is a separate thing from throwing out votes. The country could have terrorist acts every day and still have democracy. Our congresspeople could have their meetings in an underground bunker, wear body armor all the time, and travel in armored vehicles, and it would still be…

At this time, it's becoming clear that the GOP establishment is in favor of de facto one-party rule. They are seeking to overturn the results of a democratic election, and many of them are encouraging voter disenfranchisement and even stochastic terrorism to retain their grip on power.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by hertzrat »

whimsicalism wrote: post #451
crispywalrus wrote: post #447

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Instagram doesn't claim to be a "free speech" platform. You have to only be mildly interested in it to see that it's all about "engagement" Parler explicitly claimed "free speech" as a goal

So because the owners claim the platform to be something other than it actually is, it is okay for this person to leak the Parler users' private images and videos?

Whether you like him or not, Zuckerberg has gotten in a lot of trouble over the years for resisting censorship pressure. His actions suggest it’s something he values

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by [deleted] »

generalk wrote: post #714
neartheplain wrote: post #505

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One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. If "protesting/rioting" includes gunning down unarmed black kids in the street (third link above), count me out. This is a highly flammable topic and we seem unlikely to agree, so I'd prefer we pause here.

I'd challenge the assertion you're making here -- again, it is reductive to reduce the entirety of the nationwide protests against police murders to a handful of cherry-picked instances of violence. You're doing that and then dismissing the entire issue because of it, which is intellectually dishonest, which you already know. You aren't giving the same treatment to the the other side here -- you're not saying "if kee…

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by KingOfCoders »

tda wrote: post #685
pelasaco wrote: post #503

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I didn't know Parler before. I'm not American, and I'm definitely not a right-wing supporter. But that's not the same as Youtube/Facebook/Spotify tries to do? Good for ads and supporting their political agenda? References: - https://medium.com/swlh/youtube-algorithm-rigged-breadtube-e... - https://theindustryobserver.thebrag.com/spotify-joe-rogan/ EDIT: Wow: So many down-votes in less than a minute, without any comme…

His statements are not backed by any evidence, so I don't know what to make of them. Nonetheless an interesting opinion by someone that has done some great things that certainly tickeled my curiosity, +1

Mr Greenwald is an activist.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by chalst »

whimsicalism wrote: post #674
wnevets wrote: post #640

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Please send me twitter links of people conspiring to commit violence so I can report them.

I've reported plenty of people saying awful things about killing black people & jews on Twitter. It's definitely there.

I've had a good experience with flagging bad posts and users: about 3/4 of the time the accounts I report get suspended. I only go after the really nasty accounts, though.
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