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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jakobegger »

_ph_ wrote: post #418
insta_anon wrote: post #242

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"? The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use…

When talking about a camera for video conferencing, having especial high resolutions does not matter. Having good quality 720p (sharp, little noise) is way better than having bad full HD. Even TV in 720p holds up pretty well on large screens as long as the source is good quality.

Unfortunately the cameras in Macbooks are not of the "good quality 720p" kind. They make blurry images with lots of noise, have poor low light performance, and the colors don't look right.

Facetime on iPhones is a lot better than Facetime on Macbooks

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by GordonS »

Something I found hilarious:

I just clicked through to the purchasing page, and at the top there is this:

"Get a refund of up to $2530 when you trade in an eligible computer, or recycle it for free.*"

If you click it, it asks you to choose if your trade in was made by Apple, or "Other" - if you select "Other", it says:

"Based on what you’ve told us, your computer is ready to recycle"

Beneath, not so hilariously, there was:

"It’s a big win for the planet. Recycling your device helps replenish resources and drive innovation."

Come on, this is marketing spin at it's worst, and not the kind of thing I'd expect a "hipster" company like Apple to say!

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wil421 »

joshklein wrote: post #660
donkeyd wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things change, deal with it. I've swapped USB cables to USB-C cables. Only USB drives, which i rarely use anymore require an adapter. Meanwhile, I can use all 4 ports to: - Run a display - Charge my laptop - Charge a phone - Connect a drive I can even use a single port to both charge the laptop and run a screen with multiple USB devices attached to it. I now need to daisy chain converters to use my PS/2 mouse on my M…

I agree that it would be nice if everything were USB-C, including my 2019 iPhone XS, which I connect to my 2017 MBP with a third-party adapter.

My wife just got an iPhone Pro Max. The cable was a lightning to USB C cable and the charger has a USB C port only.

I’d bet money Apple will move to USB C iPhones at some point. HN would go crazy considering all the negativity around any Apple announcement.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by catalogia »

wwweston wrote: post #712
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

It turns out that people who buy laptops -- a mobile-ish form factor differentiated from a tablet by its keyboard -- might really really care about keyboards as the main interface between user and device. I'd concluded that Apple didn't really think much of laptops anymore, and had simply moved on to caring more about other form factors: it seemed a logical conclusion if one assumed that people at Apple were in fact…

Maybe somebody at Apple got the idea that telling more users "Sorry, your data is gone forever, no way to get it back." increases user perception of device security (that it's hard to get your data off your device; if Apple can't do it then criminals can't either.)

I'd rather have FDE on a removable drive, but perhaps the typical user doesn't really have a clear mental picture of what's going on.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by marrone12 »

markus_zhang wrote: post #685
Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

I have a question for you Mac users. Assuming that you don't treat the machine badly, no extra care (e.g. never open up to do maintenance), and have to carry it around half of the time. How long do you think a Macbook would last in average? For the Lenovo I'm using I'd say about 5 years because I break things so easily...it's reaching retirement.

My 2012 macbook lasted me 6 years. Probably would have gone later if a water bottle hadn't leaked in my bag and ruined my logic board.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by lilyball »

Reason077 wrote: post #347
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

> "the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys." The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards are awful, unreliable, and get worse with time, so I'm very glad to see them go. Likewise, the return of the physical Escape key is very welcome. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys has never bothered me in the slightest. If anything, t…

The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards never bothered me. I actually like the feel of my MBP's keyboard. Likewise the software Escape key never bothered me.

But honestly, the design of the arrow keys is super important. With the full-height left/right keys it's hard to quickly find the arrow keys by feel. The new (old) arrow key design is honestly what I'm most interested in with this computer after the 16" screen.

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Post by heartbreak »

mengledowl wrote: post #429
saintx wrote: post #301

People make a lot of noise about the missing function keys. But the keys that I miss the most on my 2018 Macbook Pro are the "E" and "SHIFT" keys.

For others who have the annoying keyboard issue being hinted at here (double key-press) and who, like me, can't be without their machine for weeks on end while they ship it off to get a new keyboard, I've been able to fix the issue by using Unshaky: https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky

The repair program in the US is currently on a <48 hour door-to-door turnaround. Still unworkable for some people, but you can get your laptop repaired in two days of PTO.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by CelestialTeapot »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

Other than still selling the Touch Bar as something we want, I'm somewhat pleased, myself. But I am still unhappy about the keyboard. Perhaps it may be better (a mote of dust won't immediately clog it?), but a 1mm travel is still a 1mm travel: rather abrupt. The drive to continually reduce thickness has to be reversed. I want a good experience with all aspects of a device's usage, that includes the physical human-computer interface.
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