Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

windowscentral.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

721–730 of 774 posts

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#721

Post by pjmlp »

vatueil wrote: post #706
pjmlp wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also demonstrates that forks are irrelevant and no one cares about them unless they come from major players with enough money and political power to push them.

WebKit was forked from KHTML. Chromium used WebKit, until Blink was forked. All of that was only possible because the browser engines are open source. As with anything, you always need somebody (or a group of somebodies) to help something new gain traction. There's no magic pixie dust that will let you develop a major new platform without commensurate resources. What open source does do is lower the cost of entry and…

You forgot to count all the other forks that died.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#722

Post by manigandham »

JBiserkov wrote: post #391
manigandham wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poisonous name? Are you referring to Visual Studio? That's widely considered as one of the best IDEs around.

Yes. At the same time it's hated by many anti-MS folks, especially in the Linux/OS X crowd.

If people hate it just because they're "anti-MS" instead of based on product qualities then it's not the name that's poisonous.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#723

Post by hyperman1 »

zolthrowaway wrote: post #606
JoelTheSuperior wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that fixing it for one browser may well break it for another. Usually it leads to compromising but even then still favouring one browser (usually Chrome) over another.

This is my biggest gripe with Edge/IE. - Build some webapp and get it working correctly in Chrome - Test on Firefox. It works 90% of the time. 9% of the time it's relatively easy to support. 1% of the time it isn't worth the hassle. - Test on Edge. It works 80% of the time. 10% it's an easy enough fix. 10% you have to move heaven and Earth to fix and when you contact Microsoft, they know about the issue but won't do…

We've got a site that wont work in edge.

Edge guesses for each number on a page if it might be a phone number. The guess depends on your locale. If it is considered phoneable, edge removes all javascript and replaces it with a link to skype. Which is fun if skype is not installed, it just pops up a messagebox complaining you need to install something, and it's not going to tell you what exactly. The error is only half translated and lost any meaning in the process. Can't put a DOM breakpoint on it either, the bloody browser just ignores everything you do to that DOM node.

Fun, now a few rare numbers on one of our sites seem phone number enough for the dutch locale to break the site. Tell the user to switch to the french locale as workaround, or get any other browser. MS wants you to change the html to say: hey edge, this is not a phoneable number.

WTF, microsoft? Way to shoot yourself in the foot. What else did you hide in there that will bite me one day?

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/apps_windo...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#725

Post by zapzupnz »

emilsedgh wrote: post #393
zapzupnz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That person meant that if all the main browsers move to Chromium, then it will dominate and cause a monoculture; the same way that Internet Explorer caused a monoculture in the 90s and 00s. Pointing out that there are competitors doesn't change that their presence doesn't overthrow the monoculture. After all, Gecko was around for a long time and Firefox did become very popular very quickly after version 2; but realis…

Unfortunately there's near 0 development behind KHTML and Konqueror. That's been the case for many years now. KHTML was the only community driven browser engine and thank god for it. God knows what the browse landscape would've been without it.

That's a shame. Back when I was a full-time Linuxer, I used Konqueror as my default browser. The good ol' days of KHTML.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#726

Post by merb »

bzbarsky wrote: post #695
criddell wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome could have 100% market share and it wouldn't necessarily be a problem. If I understand it correctly, Google would have to abuse their market position in some way.

Last I checked, Chrome blocks autoplay of videos with sound on websites. Except for YouTube, where they allow it. If they were a monopoly, that would seem like a pretty clear abuse of market position.

that's not enterily true. on dailymotion videos also start with sound while the video is autoplayed.

As far as I know it has more todo with the visibility/size of the video.

Here is the ruling (I've written the above before: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/09/autoplay-p...)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#727

Post by daveheq »

sametmax wrote: post #547
headmelted wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

Do you mean uBlock Origin, or the scam extension uBlock?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock/review...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#728

Post by bzbarsky »

merb wrote: post #726
bzbarsky wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, Chrome blocks autoplay of videos with sound on websites. Except for YouTube, where they allow it. If they were a monopoly, that would seem like a pretty clear abuse of market position.

that's not enterily true. on dailymotion videos also start with sound while the video is autoplayed. As far as I know it has more todo with the visibility/size of the video. Here is the ruling (I've written the above before: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/09/autoplay-p... )

Various other sites can get added to the whitelist if their videos are big enough and the user plays them often enough. But YouTube starts out on the whitelist. It's possible that dailymotion does too. The BBC, doesn't seem to be on the whitelist, though.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#729

Post by ghostly_s »

millstone wrote: post #331
adimitrov wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like BrowserStack, and I use it a lot at work, but it's way too slow to be part of the core code, test, debug loop, simply because it's far from a native experience. As long as that's the case, support for Edge/IE is always going to be a second-class citizen for me. Safari, too, since that's only on Mac OS, and God help you if you need to debug web apps for iPads. There is no good way, and the only tool you have is…

> God help you if you need to debug web apps for iPads Why invoke God, a Mac is a few hundred $s? Honestly I think second class citizen is acceptable, even preferable. Chrome is always available if the site is just too compelling to ignore. But most of the web is user-hostile, and directs its barrels at Chrome.

"Just shy of 1000" is a curious definition of "a few hundred". And definitely not a trivial expense for many OSS/indie developers.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

#730

Post by int_19h »

Endy wrote: post #440
int_19h wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its distinguishing feature is that it can read EPUB books. I'm not entirely sure why you'd want that in the browser - I think someone looked at how all browsers these days have native PDF support, and thought, "I wonder if we could squeeze something else in there".

I find your disdain for that feature to be amusing, because one of the first plugins I've downloaded for Firefox, SeaMonkey, and Pale Moon whenever I've installed them on a computer is an EPUB reader. As much as my genuine preference would be to have a web-browser with a "Do One Thing Well" mindset, the fact is that EPUB is great because it's just a compressed and ordered set of XML files, which a web browser is very…

My disdain for that feature comes from a position of someone who reads e-books a lot. A browser is about the most useless place I can think of putting it, because it is very rare that I want to just take a peek at an ePub file while I'm surfing (unlike with PDFs, which serve as a de-facto pixel-perfect text format for the web). A proper book reader app needs e.g. library management.
Post reply on HN