Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

Post by neuronic » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:19 PM UTC

protonimitate wrote: post #684

roystonvassey wrote: post #586

I am a huge fan of Apple's products and never understood the fuss when the new Pro Keyboard attracted bad press, reading it on my old, robust pre-2015 era Macbook. Until now. I got the new one at my job three months back. And, here I am, still struggling with and super annoyed with the missed keystrokes (the buttons are so thin/don't press properly), the almost non-existent 'Enter' keys (seriously, who messes with th…

Does anyone have any insight into why Apple's QA took a turn for the worse over the past couple years? Buggy IOS/OS releases and now the hardware issues... I always equated Apple with quality and consistency (along with price), but now I can't really see how the price is justified with the issues they have been having.

Post by fnordsensei » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:23 PM UTC

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jarym wrote: post #418

Stupid Apple - I blame Schiller. They won’t support 32Gb ram because it might decrease battery life and requires them to reengineer the logic board but they’re totally cool with a fragile ass keyboard GLUED to a battery! Really there’s no way to call this anything other than insanity. I remember the media used to talk about the ‘halo effect’ - well I’m someone who has Almost every MBP between 2002-2012 and every iPho…

I mostly agree with you. But really, who needs +16GB RAM on their laptop?! I think the need for more RAM is correlated with the need for more CPU clock, more powerful graphic card, and a better Motherboard, all of which result in a huge decrease in battery life (which is supposed to be a laptop's main strength over heavy, power-consuming PC).

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:25 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #696

nostalgeek wrote: post #567

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> What marketing studies? I'm talking about marketing results. Their ever thinner laptops remained at the top of best selling laptops in their price class -- selling several times more than the closest competitor ever since Jobs came back to Apple in 1999. we're talking about phones here, not laptops and correlation is not causation, you didn't demonstrate what you state as a fact.

You seem confused. I'm not trying to establish a causal relationship between thin and sales. I'm stating (it's a fact) that people have flocked to thin products. We're also not "talking about phones here". The post is about the MacBook Pro keyboard. That's a laptop. You first brought up phones, when you mentioned "bigger screens". Besides, even in phones, the ever thinning models kept selling very well, whether they…

Post by dredmorbius » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:30 PM UTC

willtim wrote: post #344

dredmorbius wrote: post #313

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The issue for me is that hibernate saves user state (desktop, apps, edit state), reboot doesn't. I expect a desktop session to live months. IOW: Your solution may not suite all.

What's wrong with hibernating and suspending? It's been two months since I last rebooted my Linux laptop, I typically only do it when upgrading the kernel. I agree it would be nice to keep session state after a reboot, but it's a very minor annoyance. Some window managers such as i3, do at least let one persist window configurations.

Post by dredmorbius » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:33 PM UTC

mamon wrote: post #332

dredmorbius wrote: post #313

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The issue for me is that hibernate saves user state (desktop, apps, edit state), reboot doesn't. I expect a desktop session to live months. IOW: Your solution may not suite all.

Clearing user state is one of the reasons I prefer reboots - it helps keep my desktop clean and tidy. I cannot imagine the mess that would arise if my session lived months. I use shutdown as a shortcut for "close all application I don't use right now"