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Careful with that edge there.
Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’
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There are different types of people that call themselves conservative. The Bush's were both pro-business conservatives, but never really expoused the type of populism that Trump does. You could admit in polite company that you supported the Bushes, or Romney. You really can't admit that you support Trump in polite company without being judged harshly.
Maybe it’s worth reflecting on just why that might be.
I agree, it's worth reflecting on.
I see Trump's rise as a response to people on the left who celebrate "the end of men", expel men without giving them an opportunity to defend themselves, unapologetically depict men and white people (and white men most of all) as evil, demand white people "absent themselves", and offer jobs for which white people need not apply. Not "far-left crazies", but major media outlets and universities.
When the media and academic culture is so toxic to any white men who speak up for their own interests, only someone who has no filter, like Trump, dares to speak at all.
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No, if you voted for Trump you support him. You can't have it both ways.
You really only have two choices. There are a lot of things that I didn’t like about the Democratic platform and especially Clinton, but I held my nose and voted for her. It just depends on what your biggest issues are.
There is a third option which is that you could also not vote.
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When people supported Malcolm X, did they support his anti-semitism as well? Older people almost always have disproportionately higher turnout in elections.
There is leadership and then there are ideas. It is entirely possible to support someone's form of leadership without entirely supporting all of the person's ideas. That's why I specifically said Trump's vile brand of leadership. It's OK to agree or disagree with his ideas, but leadership is far more than having good or bad ideas. Leadership is ultimately about people and having a selfless, coherent vision for the pe…
The other contender says nice words while killing people and starting wars in the background, is that really the superior moral choice?
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#725Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are different types of people that call themselves conservative. The Bush's were both pro-business conservatives, but never really expoused the type of populism that Trump does. You could admit in polite company that you supported the Bushes, or Romney. You really can't admit that you support Trump in polite company without being judged harshly.
Your memory of that time is significantly different to mine. I recall Bush being constantly vilified by the left for having a tiny intellect, for constantly making gaffes like "is our children learning", for the Iraq war (he's a war criminal etc), for drone strikes, for supporting torture, for not caring about the environment at all - especially the shock when a simple minded Texan oilman won out over intellectual cl…
It's a partisan thing. We can see from their treatment of Presidents that the "mainstream" media is solidly Democrat.
For the most part, they ignored Obama's many gaffes (RSPCT, 51 states, "corpse"-man, bring inefficiencies to our health care system, etc...) while endlessly mocking Republicans for similar gaffes.
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> I don't care very much but there are a ton of people out there afraid of being damore'd. Seriously, here is how it went down from what I remember: Damore writes controversial internal only paper -> another googler takes the document meant for internal only viewing and shares it with the media -> someone removes most/all graphs and citations to make it look more like an opinion piece (most likely to flame up more me…
The real problem is how much of a win that tactic was for Gizmodo and others who published the incomplete document in bad faith. Clickbait sensationalism in media, particularly around race and gender issues, created this environment.
And Gizmodo is the new incarnation of Gawker, sued for obnoxious journalism in the first place..
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I disagree; there absolutely is a tolerance paradox. You chose a rather benign example, but one that would be more illustrative would be Nazism. Expressing tolerance of those principles makes them more accepted and mainstream, thus making more accepted and mainstream the intolerance they demonstrate toward nonwhites.
As quick clarification, if you aren't aware the Nationalist Socialist (AKA, Nazi) Party of America genuinely is a party that is protected by the First Amendment[1]. Conversely attempting to suppress Nazism forcibly didn't work either. Remember, Hitler and other early members of the Nazi party were imprisoned. It didn't stop them. And regardless this is straying from the core point. Of course, advocating the mass exte…
>As quick clarification, if you aren't aware the Nationalist Socialist (AKA, Nazi) Party of America genuinely is a party that is protected by the First Amendment[1].
Yes, that's correct. But not forced to be accepted as a debatable idea, a polite disagreement, or a view point that deserves a seat at the table.
>(structuring hiring policies such that non white & Asians, and women have greater chance to get offers than non-diverse candidates)
This is not affirmative action. Affirmative action is structuring hiring policies such that everyone gets an equal chance at an offer - even if it means that some groups get more help to get there than others.
Hence the comic:http://i2.wp.com/interactioninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads...
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You really only have two choices. There are a lot of things that I didn’t like about the Democratic platform and especially Clinton, but I held my nose and voted for her. It just depends on what your biggest issues are.
There is a third option which is that you could also not vote.
And by not voting, you don’t get to have your highest priorities addressed. If my highest priority were banning abortion, I would have definitely voted for Trump because he would appoint anti-abortion justices. If my highest priority was criminal justice reform - I would vote for Clinton. Yes, I know she and her husband were part of the problem in the 90s.
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Brendan Eich, James Damore?
Brendan Eich lost his job because he supported a campaign whose sole purpose was that of bigotry and hate. After doing so, he could not be seen as an effective leader, because many other companies did not want to work with Mozilla.
I guess I'm too young to see how gay marriage is even controversial, but where's the frontier between bigotry and discrepant values?
Is being anti-abortion bigotry & hate?
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Can confirm this. Indians in SV are big trump supporters.
India with all of its poverty, inequality and bigotism is more or less Trump's ideal country.
Wow.
Given that the discussion was about the tendency of Indians to support Trump (at least in SV tech)...
... that's just over-the-top outrageous racist, man.