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What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by gizmo »

splintercell wrote: post #688
gizmo wrote: post #653

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I totally agree that my observations are symptomatic of a bubble. That doesn't change that there are a meaningful differences between bubbles. People who blindly trust scientific consensus live in a bubble, but it's the best kind of bubble. The Obamacare scenario you describe doesn't match up with reality. It's not true that they oppose Obamacare on rational grounds (e.g. I don't want my insurance to go up). Obamacar…

> Obamacare is the republican solution to health insurance, it's a federal version of Romneycare. Republicans should love it, because it's their own program, but they hate it. When I used the word 'bubble', it really was applicable to you. People who raise the same points you've raised are so out of touch with anyone who doesn't agree with them already. When was the last time you met someone who could be convinced wi…

There is no possible plan for healthcare to the right of Romneycare, because it is already the most conservative way to provide healthcare to people: for profit insurance, for profit hospitals, for profit pharma, with a mandate for healthy people to buy insurance on a market. Romneycare is essentially what Nixon proposed way back (it got rejected by the Dems at the time because they insisted on universal healthcare).

People who are to the right of Romney like Cruz or Ryan are opposed to the idea that government should provide healthcare, a position so radical that no republican held it 30 years ago.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by Chris2048 »

justinsaccount wrote: post #404
mrkurt wrote: post #381

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What's the purpose of devaluing someone's opinion / level of comfort like that? This is exactly how you get people to disengage and destroy any chance you have of persuading them of ... whatever you want to persuade them of.

"I don't understand what you are complaining about, I have no problem finding a seat on the bus" - Some white guy in 1955.

So basically, it's his fault his opinion is so offensive?

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by SnowFace »

dragonwriter wrote: post #710
SnowFace wrote: post #706

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Not really. It's 100% standard to dismiss a judge for having a bias. You can't look at her being Mexican in isolation. When you consider how the media spun his statements on Mexicans, how the judge is a member of La Rasa, and how he wants to build a wall, bias is a very valid concern.

> You can't look at her being Mexican in isolation Trump's comments on the judge (who is not female, and also is American, not Mexican) did, though after-the-fact rationalizations of the comments by the campaign and other apologists added other considerations. > you need to consider how the media spun his statements on Mexicans They didn't: they reported exactly what he said, and they took it at face value. > how he…

The nit-picks are irrelevant. La Raza has a record of supporting illegal immigrants. Trump wants to build a wall. My broader point that the judge had a reasonable chance of bias stands, and Trump was right to point this out.

> They didn't: they reported exactly what he said, and they took it at face value.

They didn't. They took his statements out of context and then "fact checked" the misinterpretation time and time again. Find me one example where he spoke bad about Mexicans.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by mozumder »

flukus wrote: post #711
Mithaldu wrote: post #709

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I'm not entirely sure how exactly you get to that exact end result from her. To answer that i'd need to know more. Think you can provide an explanation?

OK, let's avoid hypotheticals entirely. I'm going to assume you voted for Obama? If so, does that mean that you implicitly agree to everyone killed (guilty and innocent) by his orders?

I voted for Obama, and yes, I agree with his orders.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by dragonwriter »

SnowFace wrote: post #723
dragonwriter wrote: post #710

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> You can't look at her being Mexican in isolation Trump's comments on the judge (who is not female, and also is American, not Mexican) did, though after-the-fact rationalizations of the comments by the campaign and other apologists added other considerations. > you need to consider how the media spun his statements on Mexicans They didn't: they reported exactly what he said, and they took it at face value. > how he…

The nit-picks are irrelevant. La Raza has a record of supporting illegal immigrants. Trump wants to build a wall. My broader point that the judge had a reasonable chance of bias stands, and Trump was right to point this out. > They didn't: they reported exactly what he said, and they took it at face value. They didn't. They took his statements out of context and then "fact checked" the misinterpretation time and time…

"La Raza has a record of [...]"

No, it doesn't, because, again, "La Raza" isn't an organization. It's a name fragement used by literally thousands of different unrelated organizations.

It's like saying, to use a similar name fragment common in a different ethnic community, "Fil-Am has a record of..."

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Post by st3v3r »

SnowFace wrote: post #704
st3v3r wrote: post #594

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His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. And you are clearly not interested in any kind of discussion. You are simply trying to justify to yourself that, despite supporting someone who is clearly an abhorrent person, you are not an abhorrent person. And I'm not buying it.

> His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. His entire spiel was spun up by the media. If you go back to what he actually said, in context, it's hard to find anything wrong. Show me an example.

The entire statement. Yes, I have seen it in context, and it was not "spun up". It is exactly what he said, and it is extremely abhorrent.

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Post by mozumder »

austenallred wrote: post #679
meat_fist wrote: post #650

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I think you'd be surprised at how non-white males are treated in the Deep Red, is again my point.

Are you speaking from experience?

I can confirm.

Growing up in the south, as a non-white, it's not if you've been mistreated, but how many times PER DAY. Your identity is that of an outsider. You're not part of the white culture.

It's so common that it just becomes the usual part of life, and you deal with it from there.

You are definitely lacking any idea of the experience of other races.

Mormons, they go around house-to-house trying to convert people.

Try doing the same thing as a Muslim, with a long beard, in the deep south, and then let me know if you still think you'd be more comfortable expressing your views in the deep south. =^D

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Post by dragonwriter »

SnowFace wrote: post #704
st3v3r wrote: post #594

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His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. And you are clearly not interested in any kind of discussion. You are simply trying to justify to yourself that, despite supporting someone who is clearly an abhorrent person, you are not an abhorrent person. And I'm not buying it.

> His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. His entire spiel was spun up by the media. If you go back to what he actually said, in context, it's hard to find anything wrong. Show me an example.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." [0]

There's a whole lot of bigotry to unpack in that, but the biggest is the implied conspiracy in which undocumented immigrants are sent by Mexico.

In fact, when Mexico is sending their people, it's quite different. [1]

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06...

[1] http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-sends-first-ever-aid-nort...

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by LyndsySimon »

austenallred wrote: post #100

I moved to San Francisco from a very rural area (was working remotely from my father-in-law's farm), and there are a few things the liberals I work with simply do not understand about what's happening in "small-town America" (Disclaimer: I did not vote for Trump, and I don't consider myself a Republican). 1. People hate Hillary Clinton. Haaaate her. No, you think I'm saying they disagree with her politics, but you do…

All of this.

I too came from a very rural area[1], and my analysis exactly coincides with yours.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boone_County,_Arkansas

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