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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Who says you haven't seen harm? You're erecting a straw-man. Also, you have to factor in that when the coffers are empty, France may be more willing to sell weapons abroad... So maybe it's not France that sees that harm. http://www.france24.com/en/20150503-arms-sales-becoming-fran...

Ok, is there some French Defamation League, downvote-brigade choosing to censor realities it dislikes, rather than respond? I note I have down-voted responses to replies that do not have further responses. Hence, from my point of view, it seems when the argument got difficult, down-voting was resorted to.. note: this comment was also down-voted within 5 minutes, again without comment. Those who never comment, never r…

To clarify, as I just realised that the above is ambiguous:

> I note I have down-voted responses to replies that do not have further responses

by "have" I mean, I have received down-votes, not I have down-voted them.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Who says you haven't seen harm? You're erecting a straw-man. Also, you have to factor in that when the coffers are empty, France may be more willing to sell weapons abroad... So maybe it's not France that sees that harm. http://www.france24.com/en/20150503-arms-sales-becoming-fran...

Ok, is there some French Defamation League, downvote-brigade choosing to censor realities it dislikes, rather than respond? I note I have down-voted responses to replies that do not have further responses. Hence, from my point of view, it seems when the argument got difficult, down-voting was resorted to.. note: this comment was also down-voted within 5 minutes, again without comment. Those who never comment, never r…

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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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> With an American tech salary of $200k/yr, I can pay for all of that (health insurance Even if you can pay for it, doesn't mean you can get it. Pre-ACA, I knew people who had the levels of income you're talking about (and higher ) who couldn't buy health insurance on their own at any price. Some of them could get insurance through employer groups, assuming they didn't want to retire, assuming a given employer wanted…

Sure, it was a lot worse pre-ACA. Thankfully, it's quite easy to purchase individual insurance these days (I pay $160/m for mine). We'll see what happens with the Republicans. More importantly, health insurances do not at all sufficiently explain the differences in salaries. Google will hire you here and give you great health insurance, even though they're also paying very well. Also, the notion that it requires real…

What kind of US insurance is 160/m? I thought the lowest was around 300 unless you qualify for some kind of subsidy due to low income.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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post #723

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Sure, it was a lot worse pre-ACA. Thankfully, it's quite easy to purchase individual insurance these days (I pay $160/m for mine). We'll see what happens with the Republicans. More importantly, health insurances do not at all sufficiently explain the differences in salaries. Google will hire you here and give you great health insurance, even though they're also paying very well. Also, the notion that it requires real…

What kind of US insurance is 160/m? I thought the lowest was around 300 unless you qualify for some kind of subsidy due to low income.

Oscar. I'm a young non-smoking male though, so I have the cheapest possible plan (with a high deductible).

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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What kind of US insurance is 160/m? I thought the lowest was around 300 unless you qualify for some kind of subsidy due to low income.

Oscar. I'm a young non-smoking male though, so I have the cheapest possible plan (with a high deductible).

The cheapest catastrophic insurance plans in 2017 in NJ start at over $250+. I'm about the absolute cheapest plan you can find on healthcare.gov. What state are you in?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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I love how people trot out universal healthcare or pensions as a reason to ignore that European salaries are so much lower. With an American tech salary of $200k/yr, I can pay for all of that (health insurance, student loans, etc.) and still sock away $100k/yr in savings. That $100k is more than enough to build up a massive nest egg which will provide for me better than any pension or unemployment insurance would. If…

No one in America seems to understand how close they are to financial ruin from surprisingly common stuff. My wife has lingering complications from the birth of our last child. My statement of benefits from the insurance company for 2016 shows that they paid $97,000 for her this year, and this was at least the third year in a row at that level. Fortunately, I already had pretty good insurance when this whole mess sta…

You could use the ACA and/or COBRA to ensure coverage while you're in between jobs -- so what's the problem?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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France has multiple level of "after-taxes" compared to the US though.

Can't be any worse than the Federal, State, City, property tax nightmare US residents in desirable locations (NYC, SF, LA) deal with.

It can be unfortunately :)

But that was not the point, the point was that people talk about "raw", or "after taxes", while it does not mean the same. In France when they talk about "income after taxes" (~23% salary taxes), it is before the equivalent of US Federal+State taxes. These ~23% are about "social contribution" (mandatory healthcare, retirement, unemployment, etc.). Only then, the income taxes are computed on what remains, depending on your family situation (having children impact a lot in France compared to the US). For a single person it can be up to ~ two-months salary.

(City taxes exist there as well after that).

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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So, they will pay huge taxes to finance the public education system they didn't benefit, while at the same time repaying their student debt because they had to pay for university in their own country? I don't quite follow the logic...

If you live in a society, you benefit from its education system even if you didn't attend it, as all the folks who were educated in that society's educational system are the rest of the folks who contribute to the economic system and its health and robustness.

I didn't judge in my comment if it is good or bad to organize a society based on these values. That seems to me to be a bit unrelated to the situation at hand, where you have to move across countries and switch different systems. That fact that you may end-up paying "double" is what I was raising.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Oscar. I'm a young non-smoking male though, so I have the cheapest possible plan (with a high deductible).

The cheapest catastrophic insurance plans in 2017 in NJ start at over $250+. I'm about the absolute cheapest plan you can find on healthcare.gov. What state are you in?

NYC, this is my insurance: https://www.hioscar.com/

I have the Market Secure plan. I'm not pretending it's terrific insurance, but it'll cover me if disaster strikes and avoids the penalty.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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post #530

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So, they will pay huge taxes to finance the public education system they didn't benefit, while at the same time repaying their student debt because they had to pay for university in their own country? I don't quite follow the logic...

Taxes is for more than just education! Anyway, you will benefit as your friends, colleagues, neighbors and especially your own children will not be burdened with the debt, and more likely to be well educated.

Isn't education the largest part of state spending in France (not saying it is bad thing, but still).
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