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Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by samsolomon »

rayiner wrote: post #259
npgatech wrote: post #165

This event was by far the most disappointing Mac event in the history. A lot of the time was wasted in: - Mildly funny jokes and comparison with 90's technology. - 90% of the talk was about the touch bar. - Awful demos of Photoshop & some cringy DJ. I was hoping we would see: - A new MacBook with all day battery life and touch bar, even thinner design. Ok, I understand that they are trying to consolidate their produc…

> Microsoft really hit it out of the park yesterday. Did we watch the same event? Microsoft introduced a $3,000 desktop PC in an era when nobody uses desktops anymore. It introduced a minor update to the Surface Book that starts at $2,300 with dual-core CPU, only 8GB of RAM, and last-gen graphics hardware. For the same price as the new Surface Book i7, I can get an MBP 15" with bigger screen, twice the RAM, and a qua…

Most illustrators I know are using a combination of an iMac and Wacom tablet. If it is an agency, they'll possibly be using a Wacom Cintiq, which approaches $2,800. The cost of a Surface Studio is not out of the ordinary. https://us-store.wacom.com/Catalog/Pen-Displays/Cintiq/Cinti...

The sentiment on Designer News was positive, and most of the people over there are UI designers and front-end engineers. https://www.designernews.co/stories/75964-microsoft-surface-...

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by stcredzero »

npgatech wrote: post #165

This event was by far the most disappointing Mac event in the history. A lot of the time was wasted in: - Mildly funny jokes and comparison with 90's technology. - 90% of the talk was about the touch bar. - Awful demos of Photoshop & some cringy DJ. I was hoping we would see: - A new MacBook with all day battery life and touch bar, even thinner design. Ok, I understand that they are trying to consolidate their produc…

- A MacBook pro with some real innovation. They could just copy Microsoft with a detachable screen (oh but they would cannibalize iPad market), pen input, touch screen. But, instead we get this touchbar thing which is great but I am just disappointed that it is the only thing they have innovated here.

You know, laptops with a pen input have been around for a long while. Even the convertible kind. I don't think that form factor is fully baked yet. In fact, I have a couple of HP tc1100s from the year 2000. You can still get good use out of them. But as a mass consumer device, they were not a runaway hit.

I suspect that Apple has a roadmap for conservatively rolling out more digitally configurable/reactive/touch interfaces on their laptop form factor. They will do this while working off the of strengths of each input device. My bet is that they will come out with e-ink keyboards and some kind of display built into the touchpad, perhaps with a stylus.

I would concur with you that this was a disappointing Mac event, however.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by setheron »

I agree with lots of the sentiment here that the Microsoft lineup looked superior, but what option do I have if I do lots of development that gets deployed to a Linux environment.

I know I can do docker/VM but I like the native coding experience.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by super_mario »

ynniv wrote: post #143

Apple has replaced the MacBook Pro with a faster MacBook Air labeled "Pro". I have no idea how they could think that professionals would use a MacBook Air (no ports, shallow keyboard, no expansion, no innovative features, marginally lighter). A tiny ribbon display is completely useless to me. They removed the escape key. Twenty years of using Macs and I'm not sure what my next laptop is going to be.

Indeed. Didn't we try UIs that change on the user dynamically and concluded they absolutely suck (remember the Windows 98 start menu re-ordering menu item position based on frequency of use?). They go against muscle memory training, and decades (centuries?) of convention.

For someone who spends the day in Terminal (bash with readline in Vim editing mode) and Vim, missing physical ESC key is going to be a huge pain in the ass.

So, after a decade of Apple hardware I am yet again on the cross roads looking for decent hardware and OS to go with it. As it stands now, Linux with PC hardware is going to be the only real option. At least there are good mechanical keyboard for PCs.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by hartator »

nyxtom wrote: post #660
hartator wrote: post #327

I think it's also interesting to note that for the first time Apple is lagging behind in term of CPU generation when introducing redesigned MacBooks. The new MacBook Pro are said to be using 6th generation of Intel CPU (Skylake) when you have already on the market the 7th generation on Intel CPU (Kaby Lake). You are even competitive laptops using them already: http://www.gsmarena.com/new_dell_xps_13_laptop_comes_in_r…

Bash for Windows needs to hurry up and fix/implement the networking stack already so I can actually make a decent switch. That being said, once they fix all that crap then it will be an easy switch.

What do you mean by networking stack? I have run MongoDB + Rails without issues.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by rocky1138 »

stcredzero wrote: post #722
npgatech wrote: post #165

This event was by far the most disappointing Mac event in the history. A lot of the time was wasted in: - Mildly funny jokes and comparison with 90's technology. - 90% of the talk was about the touch bar. - Awful demos of Photoshop & some cringy DJ. I was hoping we would see: - A new MacBook with all day battery life and touch bar, even thinner design. Ok, I understand that they are trying to consolidate their produc…

- A MacBook pro with some real innovation. They could just copy Microsoft with a detachable screen (oh but they would cannibalize iPad market), pen input, touch screen. But, instead we get this touchbar thing which is great but I am just disappointed that it is the only thing they have innovated here. You know, laptops with a pen input have been around for a long while. Even the convertible kind. I don't think that f…

I have a TC1100, too, and loved it. Unfortunately, it broke at the weakest point, where it connects to the keyboard.

Any suggestions on fixing it? I feel like it might be a hairline crack in the board.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by massysett »

huac wrote: post #134

I'm very sad that the MagSafe connectors will be gone. It's one of my favorite parts of the Mac ecosystem, and a huge advantage.

Replacing an expensive proprietary connector (that had widely available knockoffs that would explode at will) with a standard connector that will have $5 cables on Monoprice is a HUGE win. Plus, I can recharge it with an Anker battery off Amazon. I did like the Magsafe breakaway feature but there are enormous advantages to USB C.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by usaphp »

jaxn wrote: post #535
ynniv wrote: post #143

Apple has replaced the MacBook Pro with a faster MacBook Air labeled "Pro". I have no idea how they could think that professionals would use a MacBook Air (no ports, shallow keyboard, no expansion, no innovative features, marginally lighter). A tiny ribbon display is completely useless to me. They removed the escape key. Twenty years of using Macs and I'm not sure what my next laptop is going to be.

I am feeling the same way, except that I know what my next laptop will be. I am ordering a Surface Book. The weird screen thing looks terrible on this MBP. It will require me to look at my keyboard, not my screen. Meanwhile, the Surface Book gives me a touch screen (which is important to me because I create web software that is used on touch screens), the pen is great, the dial looks interesting, so I will probably b…

> "Meanwhile, the Surface Book gives me a touch screen (which is important to me because I create web software that is used on touch screens),"

Have you ever tried using touch screen on windows as a developer? I just don't understand how people can list it as a benefit, windows interface especially in any apps for developers is horrible for touch use, and don't forget that in order for you to touch the screen you have to raise your hand , how many times a day can you do that without your shoulders being sore?

The thing I applaud Apple for is standing (at least here) the ground and not going with a touch screen for laptops, I think having a touchscreen in a laptop is a horrendous and useless idea, touch screens should only be on the object where you already lay your arms on, like keyboard in this case with Apple, having a touch screen 5 feet away from your hands will make you not want to use it, and that's not even considering OS your which is not meant for that

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by mamon »

zeusly wrote: post #348
hartator wrote: post #327

I think it's also interesting to note that for the first time Apple is lagging behind in term of CPU generation when introducing redesigned MacBooks. The new MacBook Pro are said to be using 6th generation of Intel CPU (Skylake) when you have already on the market the 7th generation on Intel CPU (Kaby Lake). You are even competitive laptops using them already: http://www.gsmarena.com/new_dell_xps_13_laptop_comes_in_r…

as I understand it, the MBP line uses the 45W CPUs and I think they aren't out yet

So what? Apple could do the same thing Dell did: release 13 inch version with Kaby Lake today, and postpone 15 inch till December. I personally can't wait until xps 15 with 7th gen Intel and NVidia Pascal debiuts

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by artursapek »

leejoramo wrote: post #84
dchuk wrote: post #12

(Posted in another thread, that probably will not make it as high as this) I think conceptually this is really neat, but it could potentially suffer from one major flaw: I hardly ever look down at my keyboard. A flat, digital screen containing changing buttons does not cater well to touch typists, of which you can reasonably assume most are who use a macbook pro. Touch ID is sweet though.

I live in terminal about a third of my day. I seldom use the function keys for anything other than adjusting the volume and brightness. I can't remember the last time I needed to use a pure Function key in any app. I am a keyboard junky. I have long used LaunchBar (since OS X Beta), Keyboard Maestro and other utilities to do almost everything on my computer and while keeping my hands on the home keys. And I mapped th…

You don't remap the function keys to do stuff? I use F1 and F2 to switch between tabs in tmux for example. In the past I have also have mapped the function keys on the right side to run common scripts, like deploying an app staging/production.
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