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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dang »

imfine-ok wrote: post #688
jhou2 wrote: post #340

This articl was a bit of a hit job. GitHub is changing as revenue and staff increase. That makes sense. There are always growing pains. A flat, so-called meritocratic structure only works in a few situations. GitHub makes the majority of its revenue from enterprise. It only makes sense to mirror the structure of your most valued customers. A VP of important corporate enterprise customer expects to talk to another VP…

This has nothing to do with growth or even sexism/racism. This is a political takeover and shakedown of a valueable company. Moving out of a meritocracy to a hierarchy like this is to move away from performance based influence to political based influence. The SJWs behind this just want money and they are importing their people into the company to increase their control. The use of discrimination is part of the mecha…

We've banned this account for crossing into personal attack. There are a lot of new accounts in this thread commenting in a way that pushes the limits of HN's rules, but given that it's a highly charged topic, we've cut most of them some slack. But stuff like the end of this one is not allowed.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by sytse »

mschuster91 wrote: post #36
the_ancient wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitLab, GitHub, BitBucket etc are not simply a GitServer, if that is all you want then there are better projects out there for that. hell basic ssh or http server can be used a gitserver with no front end at all or gitweb http://git-scm.com/docs/gitweb.html GitLab, GitHub, BitBucket etc are project Management platforms that enable Bug Tracking, Documentation, Social networking all on top of and around basic git funct…

No matter what extra functions, 20 users and 8 GB RAM is way out of proportions . Especially these days where everything is done on the client and the server only has to run a simple API!

For 20 users you should not need more than 2GB of RAM, see https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/doc/inst...

Please ensure you've installed the Omnibus package that helps manage memory.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dang »

spc476 wrote: post #504

How about George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, who shot Trayvon Martin, a Black. CNN called him "white": " rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/cnn-white-hispanic_... . So did the New York Times: " rel="nofollow">http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-demotes-george-zimmerman-from-... .

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11050351 and marked it off-topic.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

audessuscest wrote: post #446
proc0 wrote: post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

Looks like they trade "structure based purely on meritocracy" by "promote diversity". I don't see how this can go well. Meritocracy is important among dev and open source. And they don't care about political diversity. I can only imagine this new "culture of fear" where you can't hire white people (even woman). Skills and experiences should be the only way to choose who you hire, not race or gender. Anyway, looks lik…

I didn't get this 'we are afraid and only want to hire non-whites' from the article. Hiring a diverse workforce is a good good thing, generally. Why do you think that should mean we don't hire white people? Every tech company that isn't going out of business in the world has open headcount, and they'd like to hire all capable people.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dpweb »

morgante wrote: post #650
sauere wrote: post #491

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It is not about the software. Github has become the number one place to show of your portfolio. Half of job postings these days encourage you to include a link to your GitHub profile.

> It is not about the software. For me, it emphatically is about the software. Even for totally private repos, where popularity is not a factor, I continue to turn to Github because the UIs for both Bitbucket and GitLab continue to stand in the way of me easily getting shit done.

Github has a great UI, probably my favorite web app of all time. Not even sure why, I just like it.

Their culture is definitely screwed up - or they wouldn't be in the news like this. Culture starts at the top, a few people, even just one person at the very top. You have to take responsibility for that. The "we can break all the rules" thinking is naive - you'll find some of those rules are there for a reason.

If you wanna develop software without profit motive (and VC investment) that's awesome, but don't think flat org structures are going to fly in a company over 100 people. I'm all for question authority, but profit motive needs organization, which needs order and hierarchies enforce that order.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by mikerichards »

dang wrote: post #718
mikerichards wrote: post #569

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American culture is such a bummer when it comes to how it shoves people into categories. We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about race, and NOT MENTION IT. There is simply no excuse at all to mention it. People CANNOT be categorized based on skin color at all, AT ALL. People cannot be categorized based on culture either. Virtually everyone is multi-ethnic and multi-racial at some level. To identify eve…

Please don't post generically ideological comments like this. The thread is bad enough even without going there.

Dang, as someone that is supposed to be objective, I'd be careful showing your true political colors. I'm sure there are people that watch your commentary.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by adriand »

StevePerkins wrote: post #338

Some random thoughts and observations after reading this thread: [1] I'm interested in the differences between reactions to this, versus Brendan Eich's gay marriage scandal at Mozilla a couple of years ago. Don't get me wrong... I supported marriage equality then, and I do not support the worst of the statements called out in this story now. However, there are rational arguments that the HN community overreacted in B…

> GitHub's pricing model makes NO sense for established companies with lots of projects

Totally agree with this assessment. When we were with Github, we actually ended up on a custom plan, negotiated with them directly, because we had too many projects to fit within their normal pricing structure. We eventually moved to Bitbucket two or three years ago and it's far more cost-effective for us. At this point we have 500+ projects on Bitbucket, and we're a company of only 20 people.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by sytse »

ex3ndr wrote: post #84
audessuscest wrote: post #39

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Actually Gitlab could be a replacement, I use it with 10 dev team + customers and we have absolutely no problem.

We tried to switch. After few days devs make a note on the table "X days without GitLab being down". X always was < 2.

We're sorry for the downtime on GitLab.com in 2015. It has gotten better this year but we're still working on improving the response time. See https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/operations/issues and https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/operations/issues/42 for more information.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by douche »

adriand wrote: post #727
StevePerkins wrote: post #338

Some random thoughts and observations after reading this thread: [1] I'm interested in the differences between reactions to this, versus Brendan Eich's gay marriage scandal at Mozilla a couple of years ago. Don't get me wrong... I supported marriage equality then, and I do not support the worst of the statements called out in this story now. However, there are rational arguments that the HN community overreacted in B…

> GitHub's pricing model makes NO sense for established companies with lots of projects Totally agree with this assessment. When we were with Github, we actually ended up on a custom plan, negotiated with them directly, because we had too many projects to fit within their normal pricing structure. We eventually moved to Bitbucket two or three years ago and it's far more cost-effective for us. At this point we have 50…

What do you do with that many different projects? Genuinely curious.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by lerpa »

yaakov34 wrote: post #142
[deleted] wrote: post #99

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Ideological intolerance is part of it, but it's clearly not the only part, given that the very first point in her slide is "this is not work for white folks to lead", i.e. she doesn't want white allies. I don't see how much more explicit this lady can make the fact that she hates white people as such. As for German or Russian philosophers - that seems far fetched. This is an American phenomenon, and in its explicit a…

If you read Marcuse, specially his work on "repressive tolerance" you'll see this bs borrows heavily from that kind of pseudo-intellectualism.
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